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Post by Rusty Trombones - Jackson on Mar 5, 2009 11:10:40 GMT -5
Via text the Mamas are taking:
Jason Motte, RP, St. Louis
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Post by varsity18 on Mar 5, 2009 13:08:31 GMT -5
Inoa wasnt elligible to be kept.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2009 13:19:16 GMT -5
Thanks for that Buckner, just in case the first three or four notes about it didn't get the message across.
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Post by Rusty Trombones - Jackson on Mar 5, 2009 13:32:55 GMT -5
Thanks for that Buckner, just in case the first three or four notes about it didn't get the message across. Ryan means Nuke should never have had Inoa in the first place, not that Nellie couldn't draft him. |
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Post by Bobby Ayala - Matt on Mar 5, 2009 14:10:10 GMT -5
I had zero problem searching for Morrison or Schafer or Jennings. The key is to not limit your results to certain threads. Just change the days back to something over 400 and search the whole proboards, you'll find it if it isn't misspelled.
And I am keeping track, if you have any questions.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2009 18:41:05 GMT -5
My bad Ryan, misread that one.
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Post by Nellie's Holler on Mar 5, 2009 18:48:32 GMT -5
Inoa should be mine. Nuke shouldn't have kept him & he knows it. I thought we had that figured out already, and I would have kept Portillo if last year was the exception. We need a ruling on this ASAP though, because the more time goes by, the more players I lose out on that other people may pick up.
It's BS if I don't get him though.
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Post by Nuke LaLoosh Express on Mar 5, 2009 18:53:46 GMT -5
We have decided on this, I believe we're up to 5 different times now, all with the same result, I got to keep Inoa and you got to keep Portillo. No one complained when i picked him up for months, I've had him on my list of keepers since we had to declare them.
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Post by Nellie's Holler on Mar 5, 2009 18:55:31 GMT -5
I remember everyone complaining about Inoa when you picked him up, and we said we would have to decide when Mack gets back. Mack got back, there was a vote about MiLB eligibility, and it was voted 10-1 that MiLB players signed mid-season were not eligible to be picked up. I thought that was the final word on it.
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Post by Nuke LaLoosh Express on Mar 5, 2009 18:58:59 GMT -5
I picked up Adis Portillo as soon as San Diego signed him since there were no specific rule in place against it. I honestly didn't think it would be held up, but noone cried foul, and then Inoa was picked up about 3 hours later with no complaints. If I don't get to keep him, then that's fine. You can't blame those of us that tried though. Otherwise we'd get screwed. Actually it wasn't until Jackson picked up Rodriguez that someone (Pervin the Dish) started to complain about it |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2009 18:59:44 GMT -5
Maybe we should vote on what to do with this situation. I have Silverio, who falls in the same category as Inoa but actually signed with the Sox in 2007. So if this somehow gets reversed or something, I'll gladly drop Silverio without hard feelings.
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Post by Lunatic Fringe on Mar 5, 2009 18:59:58 GMT -5
I guess I'm going to have to look through some old posts, but I'm pretty sure we established that anyone signed or drafted in 2008 was not eligible to be rostered until this season's MiLB draft. I don't recall any exceptions to that. Someone jump in here if I'm wrong, because I wasn't around the last part of the season. I don't even know who this Portillo is.
P.S. I find it humorous that you're arguing over kids who can't legally hold a driver's license in the U.S. I'm just saying............
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Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2009 19:02:04 GMT -5
Considering the draft picks out there at the moment, Inoa isn't even close to the best available option. So in light of that, I agree with Mack to an extent.
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Post by Lunatic Fringe on Mar 5, 2009 19:02:28 GMT -5
Maybe we should vote on what to do with this situation. I have Silverio, who falls in the same category as Inoa but actually signed with the Sox in 2007. So if this somehow gets reversed or something, I'll gladly drop Silverio without hard feelings. Silverio signed in 2007, so he certainly falls outside the jurisdiction of this rule. He may not have played in '07, but he was under contract with the White Sox. |
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Post by Nuke LaLoosh Express on Mar 5, 2009 19:05:36 GMT -5
The problem I have with it is that I've had my keepers posted, Inoa was on it, Logan Morrison too which might show the people aren't really paying attention, and only when someone wanted Inoa is when this becomes a problem again. I believe it was stated, and by Gary, for what it's worth, that it didn't matter if Nellie and I kept our players and Jackson could keep Rodriguez.
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Post by Nuke LaLoosh Express on Mar 5, 2009 19:09:56 GMT -5
Some assholes picked up players that were drafted during the International siging period (Inoa, Portillo, etc). One of which was that Nellie's bitch, which is why I might change my name. Maybe that could make it a loophole? You guys can trade and pick up anybody you want. I don't care. Keep Rafael & Inoa. I'm having fun trying to set my lineup to get the best production out of my players, while most of you are taking this so fucking serious. Trying to outdo each other. Do you see why this league should never become a money league? Something should be in place if a 16 year old Domincan signs a contract a restricted free agent waiver should be in place. But instead we have a free for-all. Thats why I called it a bullshit move Jackson. Complete chaos. We all seen those contracts being sign by those boys, while some waited wondering what to do, while others god know what they did to get to a computer to make sure that got there player. It's under minor league aquisition question, started by Pervin the Dish. |
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Post by Nellie's Holler on Mar 5, 2009 19:10:02 GMT -5
Considering the draft picks out there at the moment, Inoa isn't even close to the best available option. So in light of that, I agree with Mack to an extent. He was ranked #20 by BP & 54 by BA, so maybe not the BAP, but he's certainly one of the best. |
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Post by Nellie's Holler on Mar 5, 2009 19:11:46 GMT -5
Since when did Gary have the last word on keeper issues though? I was more interested in the post by Ruck about having this conversation with Mack earlier in the year about a MiLB player that signed after the season began & he said no. I'd certainly put more weight into that statement than Gary giving his OK.
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Post by Nuke LaLoosh Express on Mar 5, 2009 19:16:19 GMT -5
If someone was going to complain about something in this league I'd figure it to be Gary and when he dropped the argument and told Bobby to "calm down" it appeared the situation was over. That was in August, then in December Pervin brought it up again, and again the situation was dropped.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2009 19:18:17 GMT -5
Damn! I honestly didn't know/notice the rankings were that high on him.
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Post by Nellie's Holler on Mar 5, 2009 19:21:17 GMT -5
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I asked DaMack this same question weeks ago after the White Sox picked up a Dominican wonder child as an un-drafted prospect. He didn't get drafted, obviously, but he told me the intent was that anyone brought into a team's farm system beyond the start of 2008 would not be available until we re-draft in 2009. Otherwise I'd have tagged and bagged a few guys myself since, well, some of keepers are stink bombs.
Sorry for coming to the party late, but Mack told me I couldn't do it. He is the commish, after all, so I didn't do it."
I don't think the situation was dropped as much as it was unresolved, but w/e. I just need someone to tell me I can't have him so I can make another pick, but not unlike you keeping him, I'm not going to let it go until I get an answer.
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Post by Nellie's Holler on Mar 5, 2009 19:23:05 GMT -5
Damn! I honestly didn't know/notice the rankings were that high on him. Probably because you thought Nuke kept him. In retrospect, I very seriously doubt he would have made it to me if everyone would have known he was available. |
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Post by Nuke LaLoosh Express on Mar 5, 2009 19:29:32 GMT -5
Damn! I honestly didn't know/notice the rankings were that high on him. Probably because you thought Nuke kept him. In retrospect, I very seriously doubt he would have made it to me if everyone would have known he was available. Agreed, which is excatly why I have a problem with this. You just said it yourself, Inoa wouldn't have made it to your pick if everyone would have known he was available. It's because he wasn't. I also don't think you should give up. If the situation we're reversed and there was a chance I could get Inoa I would. BUT there also shouldn't be a chance to get Inoa. |
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Post by Nuke LaLoosh Express on Mar 5, 2009 19:30:38 GMT -5
P.S. I find it humorous that you're arguing over kids who can't legally hold a driver's license in the U.S. I'm just saying............ Most kids in the U.S. shouldn't have a drivers license... |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2009 19:31:32 GMT -5
Perhaps we should resolve the impasse in all of this and further determine that an MiLB talent cannot be drafted if he has not logged any time in a team's farm system. And regardless of when or how he signed, a prospect who only starts logging time late in the season cannot be drafted until the next year's MiLB draft.
Does that make sense? I know that hindsight is 20/20, but I don't think anyone imagined this being an issue until this international draft date turned into a debacle. The best way to do this is to employ this reasoning from here on out and not work retroactively. But that's just me. I don't know if all this rambling I've just done even helps, but I hope it can start some fruitful and more cordial dialogue about this instead of bickering.
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Post by Nellie's Holler on Mar 5, 2009 19:34:55 GMT -5
P.S. I find it humorous that you're arguing over kids who can't legally hold a driver's license in the U.S. I'm just saying............ Most kids in the U.S. shouldn't have a drivers license... & women! Inoa could easily take a Hernandez-like fast track to MLB, and could be starting when he's 19 in 2 years. So while he doesn't have a driver's license, he'll be here as soon as some of the other picks that have been made (beckham). |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2009 19:35:13 GMT -5
Silverio, for example, signed in 2007 but did not see time until late 2008. Inoa, another example, has yet to throw a single pitch on U.S. soil. Maybe the change I recommended is what we need to move forward.
I, for one, have my opinions, but I think I will stand in the middle on this. I'll go with whatever the league decides via majority.
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Post by Nellie's Holler on Mar 5, 2009 19:39:19 GMT -5
I don't have a problem with the current rules of a MiLB player has to be signed by a team before our draft to be eligible to be picked up for our league. I think that's pretty cut & dry
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Post by Nuke LaLoosh Express on Mar 5, 2009 19:51:25 GMT -5
I'd say you should at least make a pick in case Gary gets on and makes his selection or gets skipped and Bobby gets on and makes his 2 picks
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Post by Lunatic Fringe on Mar 5, 2009 20:05:12 GMT -5
I'm going to agree with Ruck on this one and say we won't work retroactively. This issue clearly didn't resolved at the time it happened. That's my fault for not being here. I dropped the ball. The rosters went out with Silverio on Ruck's keeper list and Inoa on Nuke's. That's where they'll stay. Furthermore, due to the clusterfuck that ensued and the lack of resolution, I think it's fair that Nellie be allowed to place Adis Portillo on his MiLB roster in place of one of the 8 keepers if he so chooses. I believe all other issues in this matter were dealt with individually and resolved.
I hope we all understand the rule going forward now. No player selected in the amateur draft or signed as an international free-agent, or any other player added to a professional roster without professional experience, will be eligible for this leagues rosters until the following season's draft.
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