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Post by Rusty Trombones - Jackson on Feb 10, 2014 12:14:43 GMT -5
I need to pick 2 guys from a group of 7 for my final 2 keeper spots. It's a 12 team mixed 5x5 roto with 10 keeper spots and no restrictions on how low you keep a guy.
Matt Carpenter- The safe pick. The most solid offensive player and a position I need but upside limited. What if he only hits 5-7 homers? Without speed he probably needs to hit 15 make him a top five 2B again. Hard to bank on .318 and 126 runs happening again. Nolan Arenado- A personal favorite...a really good young player but not a position I need and without speed his upside is also probably limited right now. George Springer- A very big personal favorite and a guy I rostered for nearly the entire year waiting for Houston to call him up. I want to keep him really bad. Javier Baez- The most upside of anyone on the list. How long will I have to wait for him though? Starting in AAA...I've never kept an MiLB player in 10 years and I'd like to keep 2. Mike Minor- The frontrunner. I don't really want to keep 3 SP but I love him. Matt Cain- The sentimental favorite. He's been on my team for 8 years, but could likely draft him back if I wanted after his down year. Zack Wheeler- Another guy I sat on all year. Most upside of the SP and could have a monster year.
I'm keeping Posey, Machado, Tulo, Stanton, Marte, Cespedes, Strasburg, and Jose Fernandez.
I don't think I can win but I could definitely contend for the money...so I could really go any direction here. Been in the league for a decade so it's very important to me, thanks in advance for thoughts on anyone listed.
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Post by Bobby Ayala - Matt on Feb 10, 2014 12:46:54 GMT -5
I need to pick 2 guys from a group of 7 for my final 2 keeper spots. It's a 12 team mixed 5x5 roto with 10 keeper spots and no restrictions on how low you keep a guy. Matt Carpenter- The safe pick. The most solid offensive player and a position I need but upside limited. What if he only hits 5-7 homers? Without speed he probably needs to hit 15 make him a top five 2B again. Hard to bank on .318 and 126 runs happening again. Nolan Arenado- A personal favorite...a really good young player but not a position I need and without speed his upside is also probably limited right now. George Springer- A very big personal favorite and a guy I rostered for nearly the entire year waiting for Houston to call him up. I want to keep him really bad. Javier Baez- The most upside of anyone on the list. How long will I have to wait for him though? Starting in AAA...I've never kept an MiLB player in 10 years and I'd like to keep 2. Mike Minor- The frontrunner. I don't really want to keep 3 SP but I love him. Matt Cain- The sentimental favorite. He's been on my team for 8 years, but could likely draft him back if I wanted after his down year. Zack Wheeler- Another guy I sat on all year. Most upside of the SP and could have a monster year. I'm keeping Posey, Machado, Tulo, Stanton, Marte, Cespedes, Strasburg, and Jose Fernandez. I don't think I can win but I could definitely contend for the money...so I could really go any direction here. Been in the league for a decade so it's very important to me, thanks in advance for thoughts on anyone listed. Carpenter's solid, even with regression he's both a top-10 2B & top-10 3B. You're reluctant to keep 3 SP, so you can at least eliminate your two worst SP candidates, Cain and Wheeler. Minor is probably better than Cain this year, and with Wheeler you just hope he turns out to be... as good as Minor. Between your prospects, Springer's ceiling is arguably as high as Baez's, and he's a lot closer. Arenado doesn't cut it. So for me it's down to Carpenter, Minor, and Springer. Depending on who other guys keep (or don't keep,) I'd maybe be willing to use a spot on Springer. If everyone (including you) is going big this year, I'd stay safe with Minor and Carpenter.
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Post by C4 on Feb 10, 2014 17:24:39 GMT -5
I need to pick 2 guys from a group of 7 for my final 2 keeper spots. It's a 12 team mixed 5x5 roto with 10 keeper spots and no restrictions on how low you keep a guy. Matt Carpenter- The safe pick. The most solid offensive player and a position I need but upside limited. What if he only hits 5-7 homers? Without speed he probably needs to hit 15 make him a top five 2B again. Hard to bank on .318 and 126 runs happening again. Nolan Arenado- A personal favorite...a really good young player but not a position I need and without speed his upside is also probably limited right now. George Springer- A very big personal favorite and a guy I rostered for nearly the entire year waiting for Houston to call him up. I want to keep him really bad. Javier Baez- The most upside of anyone on the list. How long will I have to wait for him though? Starting in AAA...I've never kept an MiLB player in 10 years and I'd like to keep 2. Mike Minor- The frontrunner. I don't really want to keep 3 SP but I love him. Matt Cain- The sentimental favorite. He's been on my team for 8 years, but could likely draft him back if I wanted after his down year. Zack Wheeler- Another guy I sat on all year. Most upside of the SP and could have a monster year. I'm keeping Posey, Machado, Tulo, Stanton, Marte, Cespedes, Strasburg, and Jose Fernandez. I don't think I can win but I could definitely contend for the money...so I could really go any direction here. Been in the league for a decade so it's very important to me, thanks in advance for thoughts on anyone listed. For me, it comes down to who'd be there at 2B if you let Carpenter go back in the pool. He offers very little power, no speed, and I don't think he comes close to the Run production he did from last year. I'd be inclined to give him back and look for a Dozier/Lowrie type in return. I love Springer as well, and if he can improve his contact rate, he'll be a friggin monster. Otherwise, he'll be a Upton hybrid. He will be playing in the majors this year, and he should be up fairly early (just a hunch). I'd be keeping him as 1 of the 3 for sure (just for the decent floor and extremely high ceiling). Pitching is deep this year. Like ridiculously deep. With Stras and Fernandez, you've got the base for a really good rotation. I'd throw Cain and Wheeler back as well, and if I were to keep a 3rd pitcher, it would be Minor. I think Arenado is a breakout candidate this year. He can hit for average and has shown power as well. Hitting in that park will only pad that. He's really young, and his defense is so good, he's pretty much a lock to stay where he is. Baez could be a beast, and if he shows up at AAA, I could see the Cubs bringing him up at some point this year as well. He's a lottery ticket, and one with pretty good odds, at that. So my guys would be down to those 4 (Springer being a lock, and 1 of Minor, Arenado, and Baez). I prefer to keep hitters, with all else being equal, so I'd lean towards Arenado or Baez. But I would have no issue with keeping Minor in place of either (depending on who's in the pool, league settings, etc).
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Post by Tecuala Juggernauts on Feb 10, 2014 21:29:25 GMT -5
I agree with Matt. For me, it would be Carpenter and Minor.
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Post by Lunatic Fringe on Feb 11, 2014 1:39:41 GMT -5
I don't like playing it safe here. Carpenter is a nice player, but to me he's going to end up being a .290-ish 3B with around 10 HR. Arenado is probably going to be a .280-.290 3B with 20+ HR. I wouldn't keep a third SP. Again, all of those pitchers are nice players, but SP is deep and none of them are aces. Springer could be a fantasy stud, a 20-30 HR/30 SB kind of guy if he reaches his full potential, but from what I've read there's enough swing and miss in his game that his hit tool may be below average in the majors. He could be a fantasy monster, or he could be Chris Young. I like him, but I think I'd risk redrafting him. Baez, on the other hand, has a chance to be a top-5 player. I believe he's going to be a monster. He has unbelievable hands and bat speed. I could easily see .280/25HR/15SB at SS, and he could absolutely be even better than that. I'd take a chance on that for sure.
Even though there's a small chance they could end up at the same position, I'd think Arenado and Baez are worth the risk. Those would be my last two.
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Post by Rusty Trombones - Jackson on Feb 11, 2014 11:12:44 GMT -5
Thanks guys.
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Post by Tecuala Juggernauts on Feb 11, 2014 13:03:40 GMT -5
FWIW, Keith Law LOVES George Springer.
The homer in me still says Minor, but you usually won't regret keeping talented, toolsy, offensive prospects.
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Post by Rusty Trombones - Jackson on Feb 11, 2014 18:40:45 GMT -5
Springer is pretty much a lock at this point. Its really between Minor and Baez at this point. I cant make myself love carp enough and though I really like arenado he doesn't deserve to be kept. Ive never kept a minor leaguer and we only have a 5 man bench so potentially keeping 2 of them puts me in a huge hole. However we have 2 expansion teams and I doubt id get either guy back...guys like buxton, sano, bogaerts and profar all kept. Also ive tossed a ton of prospects back over the year's and been burned. I need to keep minor but want to keep baez. Have until Friday to decide for sure.
Thanks again for everyone weighing in.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2014 18:59:11 GMT -5
Baez won't be up in the majors for a while this year....probably July/August at the earliest. You can't keep a guy you'll own for half the season while throwing back guys who can contribute above-average numbers for a full season. Carpenter and Minor are the two I think I would take here, also.
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Post by Lunatic Fringe on Feb 11, 2014 19:08:01 GMT -5
Baez won't be up in the majors for a while this year....probably July/August at the earliest. You can't keep a guy you'll own for half the season while throwing back guys who can contribute above-average numbers for a full season. Carpenter and Minor are the two I think I would take here, also. Good point, and probably the right one, if you're only thinking about this season.
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Post by Rusty Trombones - Jackson on Feb 11, 2014 22:49:24 GMT -5
Baez won't be up in the majors for a while this year....probably July/August at the earliest. You can't keep a guy you'll own for half the season while throwing back guys who can contribute above-average numbers for a full season. Carpenter and Minor are the two I think I would take here, also. Good point, and probably the right one, if you're only thinking about this season. Exactly. And I'm not. I'm not weighing 3 months of Baez vs 6 months of Matt Carpenter...id be banking that when Baez comes up this summer hes amazing and becomes a part of my team for a long time. Here's the deal...Steve Corder has won 5 of the last 6 and his team looks like this; Votto, Cano, Miggy, Hanley, McCutchen, Braun, Harper, J-Up, Scherzer, Verlander. Yeah. So I'm not on that level...keeping carp or minor might give me a better shot at 2nd but I'm not sure I care about that. Maybe.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2014 9:51:04 GMT -5
Hoq did you draft Baez to begin with? Are you in a position to drafthim again? It might be easier than drafting Minor or Carpenter again. That's my point. He will be a super beast someday.
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Post by Rusty Trombones - Jackson on Feb 12, 2014 11:34:16 GMT -5
Hoq did you draft Baez to begin with? Are you in a position to drafthim again? It might be easier than drafting Minor or Carpenter again. That's my point. He will be a super beast someday. I didn't draft him I picked him up last year when he got promoted to AA. Normally I'd say I could easily draft him back but our league has started to put more value on prospects, several are kept and we have 2 new expansion teams that start without keepers and I'd assume will want players like Baez. But who knows. Springer and Minor is probably the best combo for now... I just feel like Ive given too many players like Baez away over the years and its kept me mediocre.
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Post by Tecuala Juggernauts on Feb 12, 2014 12:01:17 GMT -5
I'm starting to see this differently. With the keepers that Corder has, keeping Minor over Baez isn't likely to win you the league this season, or even next season...but keeping Baez over Minor might give you a long-term dynasty within a couple of years. It might be time to just say fuck it and start planning your team to win in 3 years instead of 1.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2014 12:45:35 GMT -5
I go offensive upside - Baez and Springer. Like you said, Minor/Carpenter/et al aren't the difference between your keepers and Corder's...I'd think 2015 and beyond.
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Post by Lunatic Fringe on Feb 12, 2014 15:25:44 GMT -5
I'm starting to see this differently. With the keepers that Corder has, keeping Minor over Baez isn't likely to win you the league this season, or even next season...but keeping Baez over Minor might give you a long-term dynasty within a couple of years. It might be time to just say fuck it and start planning your team to win in 3 years instead of 1. This
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Post by Rusty Trombones - Jackson on Feb 12, 2014 21:57:22 GMT -5
I'm starting to see this differently. With the keepers that Corder has, keeping Minor over Baez isn't likely to win you the league this season, or even next season...but keeping Baez over Minor might give you a long-term dynasty within a couple of years. It might be time to just say fuck it and start planning your team to win in 3 years instead of 1. This You guys are the best pretend internet friends ever.
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