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Post by Bobby Ayala - Matt on Jun 23, 2014 17:24:12 GMT -5
Jackson has left Rusty Trombones/Bilbo Swagginz, and Ruck has left Baxter Spring Whiz Kids.
We could try to find replacement managers or we could contract. Any contraction would be handled after the conclusion of the regular season.
Please post thoughts here.
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Post by guchida on Jun 23, 2014 19:12:57 GMT -5
After giving this about 3 seconds of thought, my initial reaction is that part of the fun of this league is the big size of it. You really have to be pretty aware and active or you'll bottom out in a hurry. However, contraction could make it a little less of a time commitment, as more talent would be available and you wouldn't have to be keeping up on everyone to see who's worth taking a flyer on. A lesser time commitment may mean fewer people willing to leave. This would obviously bring up huge questions, but we'll save those for if we decide to contract.
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Post by Tecuala Juggernauts on Jun 24, 2014 9:22:23 GMT -5
I wish we didn't have to keep finding new owners, but I'm glad we have thus far. I, too, wonder if having 14 teams instead of 16 would make the league a bit less of a time commitment and would therefore result in more owners having time to keep up. I love this league, but will admit that I've had trouble keeping up with everything, especially this season.
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Post by Bobby Ayala - Matt on Jun 24, 2014 13:49:28 GMT -5
I'm always for finding replacement managers, but of 5 of the last 8 or 9 guys we've brought in haven't lasted, and we've had 2 that haven't lasted beyond a month. The recent awesome additions like Sam and Griffin aside, I think maybe we've depleted our talent pool and lowered our standards a bit, which has us in this situation. Also, we can probably safely anticipate more turnover in the next few years, which will put more pressure on the league's stability.
Because we have 2 teams with vacancies now, and because we have over half a season to prepare for any changes that would come, this seems like an ideal time to contract. Not only would it make league management a little easier, redistribution of players would inject some excitement into the league this offseason.
If we do contract, I'd like to do the following: -Conduct a Contraction Draft early in the offseason, snaking, with a random draft order, consisting of only the players on the two contracting teams. We could do separate Major and Minor league drafts, or we could have one draft with both. -Increase the roster and bench sizes. Contracting 2 teams means 60 more Major league players in the player pool. Adding another Ut, P, and BN spot would offset this. Increasing the number of keepers by 1 might be a good idea. Increase minor league roster sizes or # of keepers might also be something to consider.
Any other ideas?
Any other ideas about making things "easier" for the league? A couple people have commented on having trouble keeping up with everything that goes into this, and it's the number one reason we get for managers leaving. That guy we kicked out, Jason (who dropped Manny Machado) runs a similar league to ours where they use dropbox and a master spreadsheet of all player salaries and complete team rosters for easy access. The amount of work he puts into it is insane, but scaled back it could mean the end of having to check Cot's for salaries (which would save one step, anyway,) and the end of using proboards' search feature to figure out if a player is owned or not.
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Post by guchida on Jun 24, 2014 13:58:15 GMT -5
With more people, the talent level on each team increases, which also increases likely salaries on teams. WIth the way MLB contracts are going at this rate anyway, revisiting a major increase in salary cap is probably necessary.
Also, rather than MI/CI, perhaps if it was just 2 IF spots, that might make things a little more flexible for people. i'm not sure I like my own suggestion, but it's just one other way to make things a little easier for roster construction.
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Post by Lunatic Fringe on Jun 24, 2014 14:14:44 GMT -5
Matt's right; it's becoming increasingly difficult to find owners who (a) are able to make the time commitment, and (b) have the depth of knowledge required to be successful in this league. I think it's time to consider contraction, but it's important to me to do so in a way that keeps as much of what we enjoy about this league intact.
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Post by Tecuala Juggernauts on Jun 24, 2014 22:46:10 GMT -5
If we increase the number of keepers, I think we should increase by 2, not 1. The expansion draft alone will have every team adding at least four players to their roster. It might be nice to give everyone a chance to keep a couple of the upgrades they draft.
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Post by Lunatic Fringe on Jun 24, 2014 22:52:10 GMT -5
If we increase the number of keepers, I think we should increase by 2, not 1. The expansion draft alone will have every team adding at least four players to their roster. It might be nice to give everyone a chance to keep a couple of the upgrades they draft. I thought about this, too; however, I like one additional keeper. The two contracting teams are losing 24 keepers, less than two per team. We have plenty of time to figure this out, but I don't think we even need to draft the entire rosters of the two teams. What about two rounds (or three) and then throwing everyone else into the pool for the main draft. I know that keeping 14 instead of 12 will only bump the total number of keepers from 192 to 196, but keeping 13 adds a little more depth to the draft, and maybe adds a tiny bit more parity to the league.
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Post by ripkensboys on Jun 27, 2014 7:03:37 GMT -5
I would lean toward contraction, though being the new guy I am open to a discussion. I have not been as involved as I would like, just because I am very busy--but I like the league a lot. I am committed to it.
When it comes to keepers and how we do contraction---I have no hardline opinions.
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Post by Tecuala Juggernauts on Jun 27, 2014 11:38:27 GMT -5
If we increase the number of keepers, I think we should increase by 2, not 1. The expansion draft alone will have every team adding at least four players to their roster. It might be nice to give everyone a chance to keep a couple of the upgrades they draft. I thought about this, too; however, I like one additional keeper. The two contracting teams are losing 24 keepers, less than two per team. We have plenty of time to figure this out, but I don't think we even need to draft the entire rosters of the two teams. What about two rounds (or three) and then throwing everyone else into the pool for the main draft. I know that keeping 14 instead of 12 will only bump the total number of keepers from 192 to 196, but keeping 13 adds a little more depth to the draft, and maybe adds a tiny bit more parity to the league. My worry, as Josh pointed out to me when I was in Seattle last week, is that putting guys back into the draft who would typically be keepers gives an almost unfair advantage to owners who have already traded for a lot of high draft picks. I think Josh, for instance, already has something like three 1st-round picks. This is really only a problem for one year, as going into 2016 we'll all be ready for the fact that there are 14 teams instead of 16 (if that's what we decide to do) and that there are 13 or 14 keepers instead of 12 (if that's what we decide to do.)
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Post by guchida on Jun 27, 2014 21:49:17 GMT -5
I haven't thought this out, but perhaps it could be like the supplemental draft in the NFL. You don't have to draft during any given round, but if you do pick a player you lose that pick in the actual draft. It's maybe a bad idea, but I wanted to post it while I thought of it, just so it was out there. If you had multiple picks in a round, you would lose the better of the picks (or worse, who's to say at this point). Again, just wanted to throw out a possible solution into this brainstorm…I guess this doesn't address Jugg's stated issue above, though.
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Post by Bobby Ayala - Matt on Sept 17, 2014 11:41:41 GMT -5
Bump. Now's the time to voice any more ideas/opinions.
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Post by Lunatic Fringe on Sept 17, 2014 12:59:52 GMT -5
Jackson may be reconsidering his departure. If so, that leaves only two teams to deal with.
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Post by Tecuala Juggernauts on Sept 17, 2014 23:34:34 GMT -5
Plus Sam knows a guy who he thinks might be good. We may not need to contract after all. I think we will one day, but maybe that day is not now.
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Post by Yoink! on Sept 18, 2014 1:19:16 GMT -5
I'm fine with what was emailed. If we contract, I think a contraction draft should have a complete randomized draft order with all the teams instead of reverse order of finish or variation of that.
Contraction doesn't happen every year, so the draft order should not have any relation to how the year ended.
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Post by Bobby Ayala - Matt on Sept 18, 2014 16:51:45 GMT -5
I also reached out to a guy I know from another league who's turned down a spot before, and he's interested.
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Post by guchida on Sept 18, 2014 17:03:02 GMT -5
Sounds like contraction is unlikely at this point, yeah?
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Post by C4 on Sept 18, 2014 19:17:30 GMT -5
I would say that if we contract and we do have a contraction draft, I would strongly be opposed to a randomization of all teams for the draft. Even though I completely get the fact that this doesn't happen often (hardly ever), the chance that one of the top teams in the league could have a high pick and grab another stud for his team would be detrimental to the balance of the league. I would argue that the top 3 (or 4) teams in the standings right now are on a completely different level than the rest of the league. This year's top 3 are WAY ahead of everyone else in the league, and it is comprised entirely of the top 3 teams in the standings from 2013. I am all for "keeping it interesting", but at what point do the teams who could use some help decide it's just not worth watching the rich get richer? I vote to limit the randomization to help make it more even for those who are not already sitting pretty
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Post by Bobby Ayala - Matt on Sept 19, 2014 13:07:42 GMT -5
Hey, not sure where else to post this, but I'm going to attempt to revamp the posting system. Next year I will keep a master spreadsheet that anyone can look at anytime (as a Google.doc, or in Dropbox, or posted here, not sure what works best for folks,) that will keep track of everyone's roster, salaries, minor leaguers, and draft pick trades. If possible, there may be a tab that has our salaries for most free agent major-leaguers, so you won't even have to go to Cot's. I'll update it when I can, which seems to be often enough.
This will mean...
1) No one will have to post Major League adds or drops, or salaries. When you add or drop someone on the ESPN page I will see it and update the spreadsheet.
2) We will no longer have to use the Proboards search feature to see if a minor leaguer is owned. All owned minor leaguers will be on the spreadsheet.
3) Those managers having difficulty keeping track of their own rosters won't have to, it'll all be on the spreadsheet.
4) Everyone will be able to see everyone else's roster, prospects, draft picks, etc, hopefully streamlining trade talks a little.
Hopefully this will make things easier and more user-friendly without losing any of the detail that makes this league great. This also makes it easier to move away from Proboards if we wish. If anyone knows an alternate message board service that's better, please let us know.
My goal will be to have this all done in advance of the keeper deadline so we can have the spreadsheet as a reference for the draft.
IF ANYONE WANTS TO HELP, it's a pain in the butt to collect salaries from Cot's. I have a player list from last year that probably has 90% of major leaguers on it, and if anyone wants to go into Cot's and start inputting the salaries, let me know.
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Post by C4 on Sept 19, 2014 15:49:53 GMT -5
Hey, not sure where else to post this, but I'm going to attempt to revamp the posting system. Next year I will keep a master spreadsheet that anyone can look at anytime (as a Google.doc, or in Dropbox, or posted here, not sure what works best for folks,) that will keep track of everyone's roster, salaries, minor leaguers, and draft pick trades. If possible, there may be a tab that has our salaries for most free agent major-leaguers, so you won't even have to go to Cot's. I'll update it when I can, which seems to be often enough. This will mean... 1) No one will have to post Major League adds or drops, or salaries. When you add or drop someone on the ESPN page I will see it and update the spreadsheet. 2) We will no longer have to use the Proboards search feature to see if a minor leaguer is owned. All owned minor leaguers will be on the spreadsheet. 3) Those managers having difficulty keeping track of their own rosters won't have to, it'll all be on the spreadsheet. 4) Everyone will be able to see everyone else's roster, prospects, draft picks, etc, hopefully streamlining trade talks a little. Hopefully this will make things easier and more user-friendly without losing any of the detail that makes this league great. This also makes it easier to move away from Proboards if we wish. If anyone knows an alternate message board service that's better, please let us know. My goal will be to have this all done in advance of the keeper deadline so we can have the spreadsheet as a reference for the draft. IF ANYONE WANTS TO HELP, it's a pain in the butt to collect salaries from Cot's. I have a player list from last year that probably has 90% of major leaguers on it, and if anyone wants to go into Cot's and start inputting the salaries, let me know. Sent you an email with most/all salaries that were on Cot's at the beginning of the year. I also will get you another spreadsheet that should help as a starting place/enhancement for league management.
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Post by ripkensboys on Sept 21, 2014 8:12:55 GMT -5
My buddy would join the league. He is a very strong Fantasy Sports Player and competitive. In this league I cannot imagine he does not get killed his first year, but he would figure things out and keep going.
Let me know.
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Post by Bobby Ayala - Matt on Sept 21, 2014 11:49:37 GMT -5
So I guess we just need to find out if Jackson is coming back or not.
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Post by Bobby Ayala - Matt on Sept 21, 2014 20:10:37 GMT -5
My buddy would join the league. He is a very strong Fantasy Sports Player and competitive. In this league I cannot imagine he does not get killed his first year, but he would figure things out and keep going. Let me know. Sam, ask your friend which of the teams he wants, Spackler or Baxter Springs. I'm going to ask my friend the same thing. If they pick different teams, voila. If they pick the same team, we'll flip a coin.
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Post by ripkensboys on Sept 22, 2014 7:49:27 GMT -5
My buddy would join the league. He is a very strong Fantasy Sports Player and competitive. In this league I cannot imagine he does not get killed his first year, but he would figure things out and keep going. Let me know. Sam, ask your friend which of the teams he wants, Spackler or Baxter Springs. I'm going to ask my friend the same thing. If they pick different teams, voila. If they pick the same team, we'll flip a coin. He would like Baxter Springs.
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Post by Bobby Ayala - Matt on Sept 22, 2014 9:31:02 GMT -5
Sam, ask your friend which of the teams he wants, Spackler or Baxter Springs. I'm going to ask my friend the same thing. If they pick different teams, voila. If they pick the same team, we'll flip a coin. He would like Baxter Springs. So would my guy:) Unless your guy is anxious to take control now, I think we should wait until we get an affirmative from Jackson before flipping that coin. Mack, you talk to him recently? I know he's mulling it over, but it'd be nice to know by the end of the season.
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Post by Tecuala Juggernauts on Sept 22, 2014 10:17:37 GMT -5
I just talked to Jackson. He said he'll come back, and he'll log in today. We've still got 16 teams!
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Post by Rusty Trombones - Jackson on Sept 22, 2014 12:05:55 GMT -5
If you guys are cool with it I'd like to come back immediately.
I've regretted the decision for months, and when Colin and Corder told me everything that happened with the guy who took over my team I felt even worse. I only have 2 other leagues, 1 is folding in a week and my longtime league with buddies/co-workers is all of a sudden in doubt to continue as well so I definitely have more time for fantasy baseball then I thought when I quit. Just let me know, thanks!
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Post by Bobby Ayala - Matt on Sept 22, 2014 15:58:59 GMT -5
If you guys are cool with it I'd like to come back immediately. I've regretted the decision for months, and when Colin and Corder told me everything that happened with the guy who took over my team I felt even worse. I only have 2 other leagues, 1 is folding in a week and my longtime league with buddies/co-workers is all of a sudden in doubt to continue as well so I definitely have more time for fantasy baseball then I thought when I quit. Just let me know, thanks! Welcome back. I put you back on as the manager of your team. You're welcome for Josh Harrison:)
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Post by guchida on Sept 22, 2014 17:55:14 GMT -5
I say Jackson only comes back if he'll trade me Manny Machado for Adam Dunn, since he's more valuable this year.
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Post by C4 on Sept 22, 2014 20:35:23 GMT -5
Hey, not sure where else to post this, but I'm going to attempt to revamp the posting system. Next year I will keep a master spreadsheet that anyone can look at anytime (as a Google.doc, or in Dropbox, or posted here, not sure what works best for folks,) that will keep track of everyone's roster, salaries, minor leaguers, and draft pick trades. If possible, there may be a tab that has our salaries for most free agent major-leaguers, so you won't even have to go to Cot's. I'll update it when I can, which seems to be often enough. This will mean... 1) No one will have to post Major League adds or drops, or salaries. When you add or drop someone on the ESPN page I will see it and update the spreadsheet. 2) We will no longer have to use the Proboards search feature to see if a minor leaguer is owned. All owned minor leaguers will be on the spreadsheet. 3) Those managers having difficulty keeping track of their own rosters won't have to, it'll all be on the spreadsheet. 4) Everyone will be able to see everyone else's roster, prospects, draft picks, etc, hopefully streamlining trade talks a little. Hopefully this will make things easier and more user-friendly without losing any of the detail that makes this league great. This also makes it easier to move away from Proboards if we wish. If anyone knows an alternate message board service that's better, please let us know. My goal will be to have this all done in advance of the keeper deadline so we can have the spreadsheet as a reference for the draft. IF ANYONE WANTS TO HELP, it's a pain in the butt to collect salaries from Cot's. I have a player list from last year that probably has 90% of major leaguers on it, and if anyone wants to go into Cot's and start inputting the salaries, let me know. Sent you an email with most/all salaries that were on Cot's at the beginning of the year. I also will get you another spreadsheet that should help as a starting place/enhancement for league management. Finished the spreadsheet tonight, and sent it to you. Let me know if that was overkill
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