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Post by Lunatic Fringe on Dec 3, 2013 13:08:51 GMT -5
It has been proposed to disallow the trading of the next year's draft picks until after the current year's draft.
Currently we allow trading of the next year's draft beginning immediately after the keeper deadline of January 1st. Voting for option #1 would continue this.
For example, under the current rules we would be allowed to begin trading 2015 draft picks after the keeper deadline January 1st. Voting for option #2 would only allow 2015 draft picks to be traded after the upcoming MLB and MiLB drafts are finished.
The results of this vote will take effect for the upcoming 2014 draft and all subsequent drafts.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2013 14:57:28 GMT -5
I would prefer that we do not trade future draft picks ever. You have a tank-and-stack situation that can develop very easily and put select people in a position to win a full year beforehand. I don't like it at all.
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Post by Bobby Ayala - Matt on Dec 16, 2013 7:48:41 GMT -5
Results: The rule doesn't change. We can trade 2015 draft picks starting after keeper deadline.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2013 9:57:18 GMT -5
Sigh. This is the worst rule we have in place.
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Post by Nellie's Holler on Jan 10, 2014 12:40:04 GMT -5
I would prefer that we do not trade future draft picks ever. You have a tank-and-stack situation that can develop very easily and put select people in a position to win a full year beforehand. I don't like it at all. I can't complain because I didn't vote, but I hope this gets brought up again next year. There is some serious tanking involved with this. |
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Post by Bobby Ayala - Matt on Jan 10, 2014 12:59:52 GMT -5
I would prefer that we do not trade future draft picks ever. You have a tank-and-stack situation that can develop very easily and put select people in a position to win a full year beforehand. I don't like it at all. I can't complain because I didn't vote, but I hope this gets brought up again next year. There is some serious tanking involved with this. I'll add it to the list. If either of you have specific ideas how you'd want to limit it, please post. |
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Post by Lunatic Fringe on Jan 10, 2014 17:12:35 GMT -5
I missed this vote, too. It'll go back in the agenda after the season. I also hate it.
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Post by Nuke LaLoosh Express on Jan 11, 2014 13:29:29 GMT -5
Incoming rant: Spoiler, I'm not opposed to taking away trading draft picks but we'll never be able to add them back in again ...
This is a dynasty league, a fantastic one with some of the best fantasy baseball managers I know. It's also a salary-cap league with minor league keepers and a separate draft. There's also 16 of us. It's not possible for everyone in this league to make a run at a championship every year unless we removed the ability to trade anything. Unless there's a trade I've missed, there's always one manager trying to win then and another trying to win later.
There's been talk of "tanking" involved with managers either trading talent, this year's picks, and or cash for the 2015 draft picks. If that equals "tanking" I'm guilty as charged. But it certainly doesn't mean I'm trying for last place. I enacted a similar strategy last season and ended up 12th. This year I was hoping for at least a 7th place finish. Sure the #1 overall pick in each round would be nice, but I'm not going to forget to manage my team or stop trying to find valuable players, because I'm always looking ahead and asking the question, "what makes my team better in the long-term?"
In 2008 I finished in second place, 23 points behind Carl Spackler, 2009 was the same story, second place finish 17 points behind Jackson. In 2010 I had a bunch of older, insanely expensive guys and draft picks that went to shit. I got 12th and had little to show for it going into the following season, despite some amazing keepers. My problem, as it had been every other year, was super expensive guys I couldn't afford to keep and still fill out the rest of my roster.
I charged ahead anyways and finished just 3 spots higher, 9th place. That's when I decided I was going to give it one last hurrah. I sold everything I could, traded away anything I could think of to help me get better and wound up 3rd, 57 points behind Colin's absolute dominance of this league.
So I decided to make a change and start answering that question, "what makes my team better in the long-term?" I knew it wasn't going to be a quick turnaround, rebuilding takes time and the willingness to make sacrifices.
It's no secret that I'm trying to get as many top draft picks in 2015 as possible, or that I've dropped the average age of my players nearly a decade or that their average salary dropped $15 million from the keepers I had when I could only finish second or third. I saw an opportunity to flip the script, go young and build what I should have from the beginning, a dynasty (not a racist, homophobic one that made its millions from duck calls, but one that had the promise of multiple championships, enter sound clip of Lebron James' promise in Miami.)
The draft and trading are two of this league's best features, but nothing is better than the competition. I'm not going anywhere, I'm not tanking, I'm just building for the future and I encourage others to do the same.
There are teams in this league that will never win a championship, hell I'm probably one of them, but that doesn't mean we should stop trying to get better for the next seasons. What's the difference really between trading something valuable now, during the draft, to make a team better in 2015, than if they do it three months into the season when there might be only 4 or 5 teams fighting for that top spot and none of them want to give up anything? Strike while the iron is hot.
All this being said, I'm fine with removing the ability to trade future draft picks if that's what the majority of the league wants, but it will change the value of draft picks in the current year and certainly how managers view their keepers.
Now onto other matters GO HAWKS, FUCK THE WHINERS!!!
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Post by Nuke LaLoosh Express on Jan 11, 2014 13:35:33 GMT -5
Sidebar: I wanted to take Rasmus in the first round with my 1.06 pick, but I gambled that he'd continue to be there as I traded down in this year's draft.
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Post by Lunatic Fringe on Jan 11, 2014 22:09:25 GMT -5
Draft pick trading isn't the issue, it's trading picks that are so far into the future. We'll always trade picks, but u personally would like to see it confined to the current year's draft, not a year in the future...
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Post by Tecuala Juggernauts on Jan 12, 2014 12:32:00 GMT -5
I see Josh's point. This is easily the most involved league I play in, and there are some teams who know, as early as the draft, that they won't be competitive this season. It's absolutely necessary to plan for future years if you want to have a chance. I had a 5-year plan when I joined the league, and if I hadn't been able to acquire future picks, I'd probably still be looking to win my first championship. If we're being honest, it's not feasible to think we can draft, develop, and keep our best prospects while still competing for the championship every year because even the best prospects aren't always impact players right away, or ever.
We're all adults. If some teams want to sell next year's farm to win this year, or if some teams want to sell the farm now to win in the future, let's let them. There are no guarantees. Team acquiring future picks and relying heavily on young players are taking just as much of a risk as someone selling future picks to win now.
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Post by Lunatic Fringe on Jan 12, 2014 18:41:10 GMT -5
True enough. I gave up my first three picks in this draft to finish fourth last season.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2014 9:23:04 GMT -5
I'm of the mindset that people should do what they want. Normally, if I thought there were at least two or three questionable owners in a league, I would keep liberties like this one out of reach so they could not tank. I'm not accusing anyone in the league now of doing so. What I merely stated is that it introduces a situation in which bad owners could compromise a league's integrity.
With that said, I'm going to relax on this and go with the flow. Nobody likes a Gary (just kidding, if you still read this site, Gary.)
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