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Post by Lunatic Fringe on Dec 28, 2009 10:55:27 GMT -5
This is the old way:
First Pick Ninth place
Second Pick Tenth place
Third Pick Eleventh place
Fourth Pick Twelfth place
Fifth Pick Sixteenth place
Sixth Pick Fifteenth place
Seventh Pick Fourteenth place
Eighth Pick Thirteenth place
Ninth Pick Eighth place
Tenth Pick Seventh place
Eleventh Pick Sixth place
Twelfth Pick Fifth place
Thirteenth Pick Fourth place
Fourteenth Pick Third place
Fifteenth Pick League Runner-Up
Sixteenth Pick League Champion
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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2009 11:45:15 GMT -5
I voted for the old way because we (I also) made a huge mistake voting for the alternative. Even if we have people tanking/aiming for picks, at least it will encourage teams to stay competitive and not give up altogether. Work for your #1 pick and finish 9th, bitch.
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Post by Rusty Trombones - Jackson on Dec 28, 2009 11:50:39 GMT -5
I voted for the old way because we (I also) made a huge mistake voting for the alternative. Even if we have people tanking/aiming for picks, at least it will encourage teams to stay competitive and not give up altogether. Work for your #1 pick and finish 9th, bitch. 100% agree. |
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Post by Tecuala Juggernauts on Dec 28, 2009 14:18:38 GMT -5
In the interests of playing devil's advocate...I want to point out that the way it is now is a tremendous benefit to a new owner like me, who took over a team that the owner basically bailed on. By the time I took over my team, I had NO chance to finish 9th.
One suggestion I'd like to make is that if we change the MLB draft order back to the old way, then we should leave the MiLB draft order the way it is now. At least then, teams that finish near the bottom get some chance to draft the prime MiLB talent and rebuild over a couple of years.
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Post by Nellie's Holler on Dec 28, 2009 14:21:44 GMT -5
Great, so probably the only year that I'll ever finish 9th, I pick in the middle, any other year, and I would have had first pick.
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Post by Rusty Trombones - Jackson on Dec 28, 2009 14:22:41 GMT -5
In the interests of playing devil's advocate...I want to point out that the way it is now is a tremendous benefit to a new owner like me, who took over a team that the owner basically bailed on. By the time I took over my team, I had NO chance to finish 9th. One suggestion I'd like to make is that if we change the MLB draft order back to the old way, then we should leave the MiLB draft order the way it is now. At least then, teams that finish near the bottom get some chance to draft the prime MiLB talent and rebuild over a couple of years. Ideally, we wont have new owners so that shouldn't matter. And even a dead last team still gets a top 5 pick. MiLB draft order should change as well for the same reasons, a team that tanked should not get a guy like Strasburg. |
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Post by Tecuala Juggernauts on Dec 28, 2009 14:28:44 GMT -5
In the interests of playing devil's advocate...I want to point out that the way it is now is a tremendous benefit to a new owner like me, who took over a team that the owner basically bailed on. By the time I took over my team, I had NO chance to finish 9th. One suggestion I'd like to make is that if we change the MLB draft order back to the old way, then we should leave the MiLB draft order the way it is now. At least then, teams that finish near the bottom get some chance to draft the prime MiLB talent and rebuild over a couple of years. Ideally, we wont have new owners so that shouldn't matter. And even a dead last team still gets a top 5 pick. MiLB draft order should change as well for the same reasons, a team that tanked should not get a guy like Strasburg. Ideally, we won't have new owners...but how many years has this league been going on, and how many of those years have you had to replace an owner? And I think it's wrong to assume that the team who finishes last will do so because they tanked. There are sixteen teams in this league and math dictates that someone WILL finish last...even if all sixteen owners try their hardest. |
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Post by Rusty Trombones - Jackson on Dec 28, 2009 14:41:05 GMT -5
Ideally, we wont have new owners so that shouldn't matter. And even a dead last team still gets a top 5 pick. MiLB draft order should change as well for the same reasons, a team that tanked should not get a guy like Strasburg. Ideally, we won't have new owners...but how many years has this league been going on, and how many of those years have you had to replace an owner? And I think it's wrong to assume that the team who finishes last will do so because they tanked. There are sixteen teams in this league and math dictates that someone WILL finish last...even if all sixteen owners try their hardest. Both valid points for sure. I think we're getting closer to having a complete league though, and Mack's originally draft order was well thought out, and we never should have changed it. The last place teams both years, and all the teams near the bottom both years were there because the owner either stopped paying attention or quit, and either it was a dead team, or a new owner (like you) that didn't have enough time to improve the team. This league has felt like a 12 team league both years, and the bottom of those 12 should be rewarded most in my opinion, since they are trying the hardest to improve by staying active. |
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Post by Nellie's Holler on Dec 28, 2009 14:44:51 GMT -5
But I quit halfway through and ended up 9th. You know what they say can happen to best laid plans.
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Post by Tecuala Juggernauts on Dec 28, 2009 14:47:27 GMT -5
The fact that we're getting closer to a complete league makes a reverse draft order that much more important, IMO.
You say it's felt like a 12-team league, but if we're getting closer to a complete league, then doesn't that mean the teams that finish 13th through 16th will, in the future, be managed by active owners? Why penalize active owners, and make it that much more difficult for them to become competitive?
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Post by Rusty Trombones - Jackson on Dec 28, 2009 15:01:27 GMT -5
The fact that we're getting closer to a complete league makes a reverse draft order that much more important, IMO. You say it's felt like a 12-team league, but if we're getting closer to a complete league, then doesn't that mean the teams that finish 13th through 16th will, in the future, be managed by active owners? Why penalize active owners, and make it that much more difficult for them to become competitive? Because if you're sitting in 13th on August 1st and 16th place gets 1st overall pick in the MLB and MiLB draft why would you fight to improve your standing if you are really serious about improving your team? 9th place getting the #1 overall pick makes an entire second set of standings for the lower half of the league trying to improve to get where the top half of the league is. |
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Post by Tecuala Juggernauts on Dec 28, 2009 15:08:29 GMT -5
I guess I'm an optimist. If I can pick up a point in a category on the last day of the season to go from 13th to 12th, I'll do it...just so I'm not the sissy who finished 13th. And yet, I finished 16th.
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Post by Rusty Trombones - Jackson on Dec 28, 2009 15:29:13 GMT -5
I guess I'm an optimist. If I can pick up a point in a category on the last day of the season to go from 13th to 12th, I'll do it...just so I'm not the sissy who finished 13th. And yet, I finished 16th. That's cool. I'd tank to finish last and get Stephen Strasburg. |
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Post by Bobby Ayala - Matt on Dec 28, 2009 19:56:44 GMT -5
MiLB draft order should be the same as the MLB order, whatever it is.
Maybe if we have a late-replacement owner situation again, we can bump them to the top of the draft order and move everyone else back one spot. Just an idea, we can discuss it if it ever happens again.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2009 23:19:23 GMT -5
Reverse order in MLB & MiLB drafts........Whoever is in last place or next to last needs help to improve there team. You tank you get Strasburgh so be it. Strasburgh sure ain't going to help your team that much an he needs to go to the team in last place.......We all know this.
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Post by Tecuala Juggernauts on Dec 28, 2009 23:44:22 GMT -5
I want to change my vote on this one.
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Post by Rusty Trombones - Jackson on Dec 29, 2009 12:50:40 GMT -5
Reverse order in MLB & MiLB drafts........Whoever is in last place or next to last needs help to improve there team. You tank you get Strasburgh so be it. Strasburgh sure ain't going to help your team that much an he needs to go to the team in last place.......We all know this. If we all know this than why didn't a single person (including you) vote for it? |
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Post by Tecuala Juggernauts on Dec 29, 2009 13:41:46 GMT -5
Reverse order in MLB & MiLB drafts........Whoever is in last place or next to last needs help to improve there team. You tank you get Strasburgh so be it. Strasburgh sure ain't going to help your team that much an he needs to go to the team in last place.......We all know this. If we all know this than why didn't a single person (including you) vote for it? I know...I thought about that even while I was placing my vote. I knew the old way was going to win, but still, I should have voted the way I really wanted it to be. |
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