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Post by Tecuala Juggernauts on Feb 28, 2012 21:12:19 GMT -5
Nobody brought this up when Ninja made three MLB picks about 15 hours before the MiLB draft began. Is this just an issue because we see more value in the pick Josh made? Well in Ninjas defense, he hadn't logged in here until he made those picks, and then he made up all of his missed picks. It just looks underhanded to be continually present on the boards and wait to drop the sandbag after a player attains a boatload of value. I don't think Josh was sandbagging, because nobody saw "Brett Myers becomes Astros' closer" coming. Not even Brett Myers. I don't mind if we want to make a rule against this for the future, but it's not right to say this pick doesn't count. Josh played by the rule, no matter how much some of us don't like the rule. |
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Post by C4 on Feb 28, 2012 21:50:35 GMT -5
Well in Ninjas defense, he hadn't logged in here until he made those picks, and then he made up all of his missed picks. It just looks underhanded to be continually present on the boards and wait to drop the sandbag after a player attains a boatload of value. I don't think Josh was sandbagging, because nobody saw "Brett Myers becomes Astros' closer" coming. Not even Brett Myers. I don't mind if we want to make a rule against this for the future, but it's not right to say this pick doesn't count. Josh played by the rule, no matter how much some of us don't like the rule. I didn't mean he was sandbagging Brett Myers on us. I meant that he was purposely withholding his pick, waiting on a player to rapidly gain value (which is what happened to Myers). What rule did he play by? There is no rule that specifically states that you can withhold your pick indefinitely and use it to essentially bypass the add/drop procedure. Just because there is not a rule specifically against something doesn't mean that the current rule promotes it. I have been watching to see how long he was going to hold out, and then I just KNEW he was going to do this. Call it what you want, but he was on here plenty of times in the past 10-12 days without taking a player, and we all (should) know that he was withholding that selection waiting for something to fall into his lap. I'm not trying to be a dick and I couldn't care less if he gets to keep him. I just wanted to call bullshit on the tactic and voice my opinion that we should close the loophole. |
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Post by Ninja Warriors (JB) on Feb 28, 2012 22:06:35 GMT -5
I think it is the obvious fact he was online and didn't make the pick until something major like this broke that is kind of a slap in the face. I don't think I can say much since I missed so many picks, but that was because I couldn't not because I was waiting for major news out of spring training. Either way it needs to be prevented in the future.
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Post by Bobby Ayala - Matt on Feb 28, 2012 22:28:35 GMT -5
If he had just drafted Miguel Tejada nobody would say shit. Not so. I've been telling Josh this was a bad idea since the end of the MLB draft. Other managers have mentioned it to me too, before any news broke about Brett Myers. It's the action that people object to, not the result. |
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Post by Tecuala Juggernauts on Feb 28, 2012 22:43:05 GMT -5
If you've been telling him it was a bad idea since the end of the draft, and other managers have mentioned it too, why is it just being brought up now? Why wasn't it brought up before he ever made the pick?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2012 22:44:30 GMT -5
Nobody brought this up when Ninja made three MLB picks about 15 hours before the MiLB draft began. Is this just an issue because we see more value in the pick Josh made? In all honesty I was hardly paying attention to anything but prospects at that point. I didn't really notice what happened and would have been against those picks too. My understanding (perhaps assumption) of draft rules and pick time limits has been that you have until time expires on the last pick to make any up you missed or you lost the picks. |
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Post by Bobby Ayala - Matt on Feb 28, 2012 22:49:13 GMT -5
If you've been telling him it was a bad idea since the end of the draft, and other managers have mentioned it too, why is it just being brought up now? Why wasn't it brought up before he ever made the pick? I don't agree with what he did, but I'm not his mom or anything. I'm not going to rat him out for something he might do that's not technically against the rules. |
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Post by Tecuala Juggernauts on Feb 28, 2012 22:55:44 GMT -5
"What rule did he play by? There is no rule that specifically states that you can withhold your pick indefinitely and use it to essentially bypass the add/drop procedure. Just because there is not a rule specifically against something doesn't mean that the current rule promotes it."
Are you seriously proclaiming that we need rules to specifically state every action we CAN do? That's ridiculous. Rules don't promote; they say what isn't allowed. What Josh did is allowed under our rules. If we don't like it, we vote to change the rule to prevent future occurrences.
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Post by Nellie's Holler on Feb 28, 2012 22:59:42 GMT -5
So if Ninja's had waited a few more days, picked up Myers, some Oakland 3B, and waited until someone else juicy came along, we would be fine with it, and allow it to continue until he had exhausted all of his picks because we don't currently have a rule against, and can't change the rule until next year? Is this the way I understand it?
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Post by Nuke LaLoosh Express on Feb 28, 2012 23:02:45 GMT -5
Wow. I thought this might be a hotly contested topic I just wasn't sure how upset people would be. I certainly wasn't trying to fool anyone by not making my pick. I saw a few players I was interested in at the last pick of the draft and instead of gambling on one, decided to wait it out and see who made the biggest splash prior to the FA pickup date.
I certainly wasn't trying to be vindictive, sandbag anyone (I also don't think that's what C4 was saying) or slap anyone in the face. I was merely trying to be resourceful as how to best to use that pick.
I really didn't think there would be any huge announcement about a player like the caliber of Brett Myers being named the closer. I was actually hopeing to be able to see what Alfonso Soriano was going to do, if Yunesky Betancourt was going to get a starting job and whether the Angels were going to trade Bobby Abreu. There was also a couple of pitchers I was interested in seeing what they can do in spring training.
I also don't have a MiLB pick until 5.15, so I figured I had more time to pay attention to what players were doing in Spring Training instead of focusing my energy in finding the next Joey Votto or Justin Verlander.
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Post by C4 on Feb 28, 2012 23:07:52 GMT -5
"What rule did he play by? There is no rule that specifically states that you can withhold your pick indefinitely and use it to essentially bypass the add/drop procedure. Just because there is not a rule specifically against something doesn't mean that the current rule promotes it." Are you seriously proclaiming that we need rules to specifically state every action we CAN do? That's ridiculous. Rules don't promote; they say what isn't allowed. What Josh did is allowed under our rules. If we don't like it, we vote to change the rule to prevent future occurrences. I never said that we need rules to state everything that we CAN do. I was merely saying that what he did was not in the spirit of the rule. You say he "played by the rule" and I feel that he exploited the system to gain unfair advantage. |
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Post by C4 on Feb 28, 2012 23:16:46 GMT -5
I really didn't think there would be any huge announcement about a player like the caliber of Brett Myers being named the closer. When I said sandbagging, I meant that you were obviously holding that pick open until you had a good reason to use it. When the draft should have been over close to 2 weeks ago, it gives you an unfair advantage over all of the other teams who would have liked to put the waiver claim in on him. I just was hoping that the loophole could be closed to prevent everyone from withholding their last 3 picks next year and watching to see who types the fastest to snag the good pickups. |
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Post by Ninja Warriors (JB) on Feb 28, 2012 23:20:13 GMT -5
I'm not mad or offended by it. I just think it is definitely breaking the spirit of a rule just because it hasn't been specifically banned. Everyone else would love to wait around a few weeks to see who would be the best guys to use your last pick on. But if everyone did that we would just be eliminating the last rounds and allowing early FA pickups before the official add/drop period started.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 29, 2012 9:28:19 GMT -5
Wow. I thought this might be a hotly contested topic I just wasn't sure how upset people would be. I certainly wasn't trying to fool anyone by not making my pick. I saw a few players I was interested in at the last pick of the draft and instead of gambling on one, decided to wait it out and see who made the biggest splash prior to the FA pickup date. I certainly wasn't trying to be vindictive, sandbag anyone (I also don't think that's what C4 was saying) or slap anyone in the face. I was merely trying to be resourceful as how to best to use that pick. I really didn't think there would be any huge announcement about a player like the caliber of Brett Myers being named the closer. I was actually hopeing to be able to see what Alfonso Soriano was going to do, if Yunesky Betancourt was going to get a starting job and whether the Angels were going to trade Bobby Abreu. There was also a couple of pitchers I was interested in seeing what they can do in spring training. I also don't have a MiLB pick until 5.15, so I figured I had more time to pay attention to what players were doing in Spring Training instead of focusing my energy in finding the next Joey Votto or Justin Verlander. a very honest answer...........but I still see it as a clear-cut (sandbag) move, but what I find more dishearting is my league-mates are defending the Myers pick-up. So our main objective to all this draft nonsense was to NOT make your last three picks (16-18)and wait till you hear more news from spring-training......what kind of crap is that? why even did we start the draft in January? Next year I purpose we have a REAL live draft application on ESPN and dropped this crap proboards site. I drafted Jorge DeLa Rosa (DL bound) and asked about his status and was told I had to wait on the FA list to open after the MiLB draft ends to get MY ROSTER up to the 30 players allowed. I also think we need to address why are we allowed EXTRA draft picks, once we hit the alloted 30 ESPN roster slots we should not be allow to draft any more players.....Matt had ONE extra draft pick this year.......he has dropped Allen Craig (DL bound player) while I have to wait to get to MY alloted 30 players.........Matt will let me know when it is OK to pick up a player for my Jorge deLa Rosa. |
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Post by Rusty Trombones - Jackson on Feb 29, 2012 10:50:58 GMT -5
Since there was no rule against it, he should get to keep the player.
The opinion others have of what happened is irrelevant to the current case, those opinions are what will determine how we handle it going forward.
I feel this way because I think that's how we've handled loopholes in the past.
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Post by Lunatic Fringe on Feb 29, 2012 12:09:34 GMT -5
If he had just drafted Miguel Tejada nobody would say shit. Don't hate on the craftiness, change the rule, he keeps the player, move on down the road is my opinion. Agreed |
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Post by Lunatic Fringe on Feb 29, 2012 12:17:14 GMT -5
Since there was no rule against it, he should get to keep the player. The opinion others have of what happened is irrelevant to the current case, those opinions are what will determine how we handle it going forward. I feel this way because I think that's how we've handled loopholes in the past. Jackson's right. No one here likes the way it happened or is in any way in favor of the move. The issue is that a specific rule needs to be put in place because Josh didn't break any specific rule. This is always how we've done things here. We can't think of everything, so when something like this pops up, we deal with it as a group. We've always done it that way. I think someone else mentioned it before, but the small amount of attention I can give to fantasy baseball at the moment was all focused on the MiLB draft, so I didn't realize that a few picks were being made so late. What's done is done, and it won't ever happen again. That's how I feel about it. |
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Post by Tecuala Juggernauts on Feb 29, 2012 12:27:19 GMT -5
Since there was no rule against it, he should get to keep the player. The opinion others have of what happened is irrelevant to the current case, those opinions are what will determine how we handle it going forward. I feel this way because I think that's how we've handled loopholes in the past. Jackson's right. No one here likes the way it happened or is in any way in favor of the move. The issue is that a specific rule needs to be put in place because Josh didn't break any specific rule. This is always how we've done things here. We can't think of everything, so when something like this pops up, we deal with it as a group. We've always done it that way. I think someone else mentioned it before, but the small amount of attention I can give to fantasy baseball at the moment was all focused on the MiLB draft, so I didn't realize that a few picks were being made so late. What's done is done, and it won't ever happen again. That's how I feel about it. I'm down with all of what those two guys said. That all works for me. |
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Post by fishmystic on Feb 29, 2012 19:48:28 GMT -5
I love this shit. This league rules. I'm glad someone smart like Josh is going to be in another league with me. Here I was waiting to draft Juan Abreu in the MiLB draft like a stupid ass...
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