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Post by schickd on Dec 31, 2009 20:10:48 GMT -5
michael taylor - oak (may still be with tor?) b. matusz - bal dominic brown - phi c. heisey - cinc m. rzepczynski - tor h. rondon - cle j. knapp - phi v. worley - phi
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Post by Deleted on Dec 31, 2009 20:52:25 GMT -5
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Post by Nuke LaLoosh Express on Dec 31, 2009 21:15:25 GMT -5
Gary's right, you can substitute for a different MiLB player
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Post by Nellie's Holler on Dec 31, 2009 23:35:54 GMT -5
Pretty sure Buckner has Rzepczynski, not sure who should own him though.
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Post by Rusty Trombones - Jackson on Jan 1, 2010 10:11:58 GMT -5
Except that Matt was wrong about the rules, and he added Rondon legally since he dropped another player.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2010 12:23:01 GMT -5
What the hell? Don should have Rondon. Everything he did to acquire him was legit.
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Post by Rusty Trombones - Jackson on Jan 1, 2010 12:44:32 GMT -5
What the hell? Don should have Rondon. Everything he did to acquire him was legit. Exactly.
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Post by Rusty Trombones - Jackson on Jan 1, 2010 12:50:01 GMT -5
Actually Rondon and Marc Rep were both added within the rules, and both players should be his, not GB's or Dickman's.
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Post by Nellie's Holler on Jan 1, 2010 12:50:06 GMT -5
What about Rzepczynsk? He doesn't have MiLB status and he's on Buckner's MLB keeper list.
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Post by Nellie's Holler on Jan 1, 2010 12:52:13 GMT -5
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Post by Rusty Trombones - Jackson on Jan 1, 2010 12:52:51 GMT -5
What about Rzepczynsk? He doesn't have MiLB status and he's on Buckner's MLB keeper list. I didnt realize he wasnt a minor leaguer anymore. Don loses Rzep then, but should get to keep Rondon.
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Post by Rusty Trombones - Jackson on Jan 1, 2010 13:23:33 GMT -5
He lost his rookie status on Aug 21, and Ryan picked him up Aug 23, illegally, since he was still Don's property until the 30th. Not sure what to do about this one.
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Post by Nellie's Holler on Jan 1, 2010 13:30:26 GMT -5
If he was added illegally, he should still be Don's property since nobody else claimed him. At the same time, Don should have noticed to put him on his MLB keepers and now everything is screwed up. Yay!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2010 13:34:18 GMT -5
Disagree Rondon is mine.
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Post by Bobby Ayala - Matt on Jan 1, 2010 13:58:17 GMT -5
What the hell? Don should have Rondon. Everything he did to acquire him was legit. True, I made the error on the rule interpretation, which I apologized/corrected on a different post. Rondon is Don's. Gary, please choose another keeper.
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Post by Bobby Ayala - Matt on Jan 1, 2010 14:08:12 GMT -5
If he was added illegally, he should still be Don's property since nobody else claimed him. At the same time, Don should have noticed to put him on his MLB keepers and now everything is screwed up. Yay! This is a toughy. Rzep lost minor league eligibility and was claimed illegally, so he should still be a free agent. Both guys should select another keeper ASAP.
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Post by Nellie's Holler on Jan 1, 2010 14:42:12 GMT -5
killinmesmalls.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=milbsignings&action=display&thread=3193On Aug 23, Dickman posted this and nobody said anything. He did do it under the MiLB acquisitions though, and by then Rzep had lost his eligibility. The important thing here is that he did put it on the boards, put it on his trade block numerous times, and put him on his MLB keepers without anything being said. The more I think about it, Rzep shouldn't be Don's because of his lost MiLB eligibility and therefore should be a free agent. At the same time, I'm wondering whether it is fair to take someone from Dickman when he's had Rzep for over 4 months and made it apparent to everyone that he has owned him and dick has been said about it.
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Post by Rusty Trombones - Jackson on Jan 1, 2010 15:11:05 GMT -5
Yeah what a mess.
Even though you could make a case either way, I dont have a problem with Ryan keeping Rzep, since nobody said anything.
Don shouldn't lose Rondon because Matt misinterpreted the rules though. Sorry GB, it's not fair for you to lose a keeper, but if you knew the rules you would have known that Don's pickup of Rondon was legit and wouldn't have picked him up in the first place.
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Post by Tecuala Juggernauts on Jan 1, 2010 15:21:32 GMT -5
Agreed. It seems like Don should have noticed if someone claimed a player he owned. I can't imagine not noticing someone claiming one of my players. When I fucked up and lost Borbon to Ruck, I noticed the same day. If Don had said something within a week or even ten days, I could see letting him keep Rep...but this is four months later, and NOBODY noticed. I think we should assume that since Don didn't say anything during the 10-day period he would have had to add Rep to his ML roster if Ryan hadn't added him, we should consider the add by Ryan a waiver claim and Rep should belong to Ryan. My two cents.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2010 15:42:35 GMT -5
All I can say here is "Ugh."
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Post by Nuke LaLoosh Express on Jan 1, 2010 15:49:15 GMT -5
IMO:
Gary gets to select a different MiLB eligible player, Don gets to keep Rondon.
Dickman gets to keep Marc "pizza face" Ryzqawijtralt?214@$21akgalkng^#12, or however you spell his name.
My opinion was changed...
Gary should get to keep Rondon, Dickman gets "Pizza Face" and Don has to select 2 new MiLB eligible players.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2010 16:02:08 GMT -5
It ain't going to happen, Rondon is mine. Don's first claim on Rondon was nulled & void. All the other owners in this league would have seen Matt's post an commented. Not, Don. So I am thinking Rondon was an invalid pick so I picked up Rondon on July 14th 2009. That was 6 months ago an why didn't anybody commented my pick-up was invalid. I even had posts on August 21st & September 27th, that gave my MiLB players on my roster. Nobody commented about my MiLB players. Then I put all my MLB & MiLB players on another post an nobody comments Rondon is not mine.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2010 16:05:23 GMT -5
Agreed. It seems like Don should have noticed if someone claimed a player he owned. I can't imagine not noticing someone claiming one of my players. When I fucked up and lost Borbon to Ruck, I noticed the same day. If Don had said something within a week or even ten days, I could see letting him keep Rep...but this is four months later, and NOBODY noticed.I think we should assume that since Don didn't say anything during the 10-day period he would have had to add Rep to his ML roster if Ryan hadn't added him, we should consider the add by Ryan a waiver claim and Rep should belong to Ryan. My two cents. My problem comes 6 months later......Don is not getting Rondon
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Post by Nuke LaLoosh Express on Jan 1, 2010 16:21:30 GMT -5
It ain't going to happen, Rondon is mine. Don's first claim on Rondon was nulled & void. All the other owners in this league would have seen Matt's post an commented. Not, Don. So I am thinking Rondon was an invalid pick so I picked up Rondon on July 14th 2009. That was 6 months ago an why didn't anybody commented my pick-up was invalid. I even had posts on August 21st & September 27th, that gave my MiLB players on my roster. Nobody commented about my MiLB players. Then I put all my MLB & MiLB players on another post an nobody comments Rondon is not mine. I wasn't aware of this. If this is true then 6 months is far too long to pass without anyone saying anything. Gary is far more active than Don, I realize, but it's Don's fault for not noticing 2 different situations where his players were picked up, and our fault for not being on top of whose taken who. I've changed my mind. Gary gets Rondon, Don can select 2 more MiLB eligible players. Players that weren't drafted in 2009 or international free agents, and are still under 50 innings pitched or 130 at bats.
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Post by Bobby Ayala - Matt on Jan 1, 2010 16:53:02 GMT -5
Here is the thread where this is clarified: killinmesmalls.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&thread=2607Specifically, my apology/admittance of mistake regarding what I thought were invalid adds, including Rondon: "In this case, Bergesen and Watts would be the only invalid adds, Bergesen because he is the 7th add without dropping a player, and Watts because of the Jon Kibler thing. Everything else Don and Gary did was okay, sorry."So yeah, gary, sorry, but Don had Rondon all along and you have to keep someone else. When you picked him up Don should've said "hey that's my player, you can't have him," but that doesn't mean he relinquished his rights to the player. This is different from the Rzepczynski thing because Rzepczynski was never validly picked up, he's a free agent. Rondon was always on Don's roster, still is. Sorry man, please choose a new keeper ASAP.
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Post by Nuke LaLoosh Express on Jan 1, 2010 18:23:57 GMT -5
Here is the thread where this is clarified: killinmesmalls.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&thread=2607Specifically, my apology/admittance of mistake regarding what I thought were invalid adds, including Rondon: "In this case, Bergesen and Watts would be the only invalid adds, Bergesen because he is the 7th add without dropping a player, and Watts because of the Jon Kibler thing. Everything else Don and Gary did was okay, sorry."So yeah, gary, sorry, but Don had Rondon all along and you have to keep someone else. When you picked him up Don should've said "hey that's my player, you can't have him," but that doesn't mean he relinquished his rights to the player. This is different from the Rzepczynski thing because Rzepczynski was never validly picked up, he's a free agent. Rondon was always on Don's roster, still is. Sorry man, please choose a new keeper ASAP. I understand where your coming from Matt, but I gotta give this one to Gary. The difference in this situation is Don never said anything, and neither did any of us. I don't think it should be up to the league to keep track of every single MiLB or MLB transaction and whose taken who, it should be up to each manager to keep track of their own rosters. Don didn't keep good enough track and therefore should have to suffer the consequences. Hell he hasn't even signed on to dispute either this debacle or the one with Marc Rzypicknainglaskgn, aka "Pizza face", so I'd say he has to deal with it and pick 2 new MiLB players.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2010 18:48:41 GMT -5
So a mistake is no longer a mistake if no one notices it at first? Do you guys realize how wrong that reads? There is a very handy-dandy gadget called S E A R C H. If you are too lazy to perform the proper due diligence and search for your player before you add him, you do NOT deserve him. It comes down to this -- Gary stole Don's player and won't give him back. This discussion reminds me of a child trying to pull a fast one on his mom. No one can justify stealing a player. We have never made exceptions in the past for this kind of thing and there is no good reason to do that now.
I mean come on, guys, Rondon isn't even in the Majors yet. How pathetic is it that we are having this drawn-out discussion about a Minor League pitcher? Seriously?
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Post by Tecuala Juggernauts on Jan 1, 2010 19:50:42 GMT -5
So a mistake is no longer a mistake if no one notices it at first? Do you guys realize how wrong that reads? Good point. This situation has become a big pile of shit. The two guys who say they have Rondon and Rzeplwoivcnruyshfski now got them through sketchy circumstances and, as Nuke pointed out, the guy who had them before doesn't even know they are gone and hasn't signed back in to take part in the discussion of his whether or not his players were stolen. Perhaps we could solve this by simply contracting all three teams involved? (I'm kidding, guys.) Seriously, I think we should solve it by not letting ANYBODY have the two players involved. Put Rondon and Rzepkjdbweeiucski back into the pool for their respective drafts. Good thing we found a new owner to keep this a 16-team league, though.
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Post by Lunatic Fringe on Jan 1, 2010 21:30:29 GMT -5
What a fucking mess. Okay, this is how I see it:
Hector Rondon: You have to know when someone has taken one of your players illegally. You also have to know whether or not a player that you want to add is actually available. Matt interpreted the rule wrong, so Don's acquisition was valid. Nothing has changed between then and now that would make Rondon ineligible for Don's roster. The fact that we all missed Gary's invalid pick-up doesn't make it okay. The precedent then becomes that you can take anyone you want from anyone's roster and you get to keep them if no one says anything. Rondon belongs to Don. Gary gets to pick one of the MiLB players he did not keep to replace Rondon.
Mark Rzepczynski: This one is more complicated. Rzepczynski lost his MiLB eligibity, and Don failed to promote him. That makes him a free-agent, but Ryan picked him up too early. By the same logic as the Rondon situation, Mark Rzepczynski is a free-agent, and Ryan can add back one of the other guys that he dropped to his roster as his final keeper. Don may add back one MiLB player as a keeper, but only one of the guys that he dropped to make 8.
Ultimately, the blame lies on me for not catching these mistakes.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2010 21:44:36 GMT -5
Your fucking second-in-command said it was an invalid pick an nobody agree or disagree with Matt, so Rondon was fair game......we all know when Matt writes something we as a group go through it with a fine pick, an usually we come to a compromise. Nothing like this happen. Matt made a ruling an it was passed. I did not steal Rondon. I wasn't taking anybody from a roster, Rondon was fair game Matt made a ruling...... Matt last year scrutinize all my MiLB picks an if I did anything fucking illegal he let me know ASAP, he sure didn't wait 6 fucking months. Just look at this thread. Proof...... killinmesmalls.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=milbsignings&action=display&thread=2609
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