2009 Draft Commentary

[Deleted]

Fun times are ahead. This draft was the most FUN activity of the previous winter for me. I look forward to more shenanigans this time around.

[Rusty Trombones - Jackson]

Let's go Matt....I'm antsy.

[Nuke LaLoosh Express]

I think he's still in the middle of a trade for that pick.

[Rusty Trombones - Jackson]

Jan 7, 2009 17:16:55 GMT -5 Nuke LaLoosh Express said:

I think he's still in the middle of a trade for that pick.

Yeah I know. It's turned into an all day affair. I got all excited when I thought we were really starting early.

[Bobby Ayala - Matt]

sorry guys. I like Scherzer, but I'm waiting for Rich to log on. He intrigued me enough with a possible deal that I have to wait. Rest assured that as soon as I can, I will draft or trade the pick and we can get going.

[Nellie's Holler]

When I talked to Rich (Austin Puckettiers) before, he was interested in Scherzer anyways. So if he did make a trade, it would be for the guy you're going to draft anyways. If you want to go ahead & draft Scherzer to get things going, and talk to Rich when he gets on about a trade, I don't think it would be a problem at all.

[Deleted]

Thanks for putting this together! Does anyone have any back history for my team...like how does a last place team pick 5th, and lose some picks in the early rounds and have very little to show for it in the line of keepers. I'm not whining but was this team truly fleeced or what? If anyone has any information, please catch me up to speed.

Thanks,
Dave

[Nuke LaLoosh Express]

Instead of giving the last place team the first pick in the draft we give it to 8th then 9th, 10th ect to 16th then 7th, 6th, 5th ect to avoid teams tanking their team in order to get a better player and or higher pick in the next years draft.

Unfortunatly the previous owner had a hard-on for players that suck, and after he realized his team wasn't great and needed work he decided to be a douche and drop-out. I have faith however that a turn around is coming in the form of you. I've seen what you can do. It might take a while, but if anyone can do it.... it's you.

[Hit-N-Run]

I would like to consider changing this rule for the draft next year.
I took charge of this terrible team in the end of June with no shot
of winning or even contending, but yet did my best to improve my team.
Granted I only moved up from 15th to 13th, but I also gained about 20 points in the
process. I added keepers Nolasco, and Josh Johnson from the waivers.
As well as making trades to add Alexei Ramirez, Matt Garza and Adam Jones to improve my team.
So i get punished for having a bad team and then get to pick in the middle
of the rounds by multiple teams that have much better talent.
Really I'm not complaining, just don't really understand the logic.
Especially considering the amount of talent that is available to be drafted.
Most people are not going to tank to get JJ Hardy or Max Scherzer.
Considering next year we will keep 12, then I think it applies even more.
Don't want to get anyone riled up, just throwing it out there

[Deleted]

I agree. 16 x 12 = 192. That's how many of the top players we will see taken out of the draft pool next season. Tanking means someone is getting a player barely breaking into the top 175 or top 200, realistically. If an owner wants someone that badly, and he wants to tank, then 1) get him a helmet or 2) boot him because only bad owners tank. I am 100% sure no owners in this league will want to tank based on the quality of our owner nucleus. The hype around this league requires the best, and we don't have these little a-holes like JLanes or jaydees who will bring shame upon any particular team.

This is one of the best leagues out there with some of the best owners out there. Maybe it's time we showed a little faith and let some of these weaker teams get the compensatory earlier picks.

[leezrok]

i actually dont mind the #9 team getting the 1st pick :-)

[Deleted]

JMO The problem we faced last year, was a combination of things. The most important ONE you are playing against some of the most shrewd owners (SO) I have meant.
Hate to say this Mack but trading draft picks is not kosher. Just look at last year standings and the first 2 rounds of this draft. Thats why draft pick trading should be BANNED. I wrote this last year, let the season be complete then we can trade draft picks for the following year. Nope that didn't happen. It was a free-for-all. Ex: Some owners sell off there team and then think. This team sucks I quit. Its so easy to do.

To the new owners I wouldn't be surprised if you lost your 1st, 2nd , and 3rd picks in 2010,, 2011. Thats what went on here.
Grow a set and stand up these shrewd owners.

David, the old owner (Dave Schemmel) of your team wanted to propose turning this into a money league. Can you believe that with your team you got?

Don you got somewhat lucky (PK) didn't completely dismantle your team because he went MIA in June. THEY (SO) didn't embezzled or defraud your team like David's team....

PS: lets hear the feedback

Gary (BBB)

[Lunatic Fringe]

I said in the beginning that we would consider changing the rule that determined draft order, but no one had an issue with it, or expressed any issue with it, in the beginning. You have to understand, this was the first year of the this league with some owners that I knew, but many that I did not, and I wanted it to stay competitive. You have to admit, I was right. At least one owner tanked last season; it just happens he went on to quit.

As for the new owners, I was told that most, if not all, of you should be invited to this league because you were already familiar with the set-up, the rules, and the board and they you paid at least some attention to how it was run. Either someone was blowing smoke up my ass to get you in the league, or you had some idea what you were getting into.

We will always discuss and consider any changes that will benefit the league as a whole. We actually had an entire week and a new board dedicated solely to that.

Just curious what everyone thinks: If the talent pool is so shallow, and indeed it will be next year since we added 32 more keepers, and no one would tank "to get J.J. hardy" #1, is it better then to pick #1, #32, #33, #64.........or would it be better to have #7, # 26, #39, #58.....I'm not sure, what do you think?

Anyway, if the league thinks the rule should change, so shall it change.

Gary, are you saying that the problem with trading future draft picks is that some owners are smarter than others? How could the new owners 'lose' 1st, 2nd, and 3rd round picks in the future unless they made the decision themselves to trade them away? Sounds to me like you're calling the new guys stupid. However, if everyone would like this rule to change, we'll do it.

[leezrok]

i def tanked to get jj hardy

[Lunatic Fringe]

There are some polls up under the Winter Meetings board that require attention.

[Rusty Trombones - Jackson]

My thoughts...

Invert the order to the opposite of the standings. A lot of guys would rather pick in the middle, but last place teams deserve one of the first players off the board. JJ Hardy is a bad example because he's average and isn't going to get better, but for a bad team to be able to get a young player with upside like a Scherzer or a Cueto that would be a good long term keeper could be big.

Trading picks is just fine. We're all supposed to be expert owners, and trading picks should be part of the strategy. If you don't know what you're doing, you shouldn't be in this league and will probably quit anyway. If we start changing the rules to police bad owners from themselves, then what kind of league is this?

[Rusty Trombones - Jackson]

We should go to 6 hours per pick after the first round.

[Hit-N-Run]

If we tried to police bad owners Beard,
it would belike our ESPN league

[Rusty Trombones - Jackson]

Jan 8, 2009 13:33:00 GMT -5 Hit-N-Run said:

If we tried to police bad owners Beard,
it would belike our ESPN league

Yup. Shitty.

[Deleted]

Two out of the three bottom teams have new owners and somehow they don't even own a top three draft pick. Does that make sense? The 9th, 10, & 11th finishers out of 16 teams have the top three picks.
Mack I didn't word my words right about 2010....I meant maybe they don't have those picks anymore because the old owners already traded them.

I voted to keep the keeper amount at 10. I like more FA's so it can be a competitive league for years to come. Others want to raise the keeper level every year.
Your right Jackson somewhat, but if you had the spot your team should have had like 6th and maybe you wouldn't Cueto have landed him.

Has anybody traded MLB or MiLB draft picks for the year 2010 yet?

[leezrok]

i traded all my 2029 picks

[Lunatic Fringe]

Jan 8, 2009 14:09:31 GMT -5 @garyshaky said:

Has anybody traded MLB or MiLB draft picks for the year 2010 yet?

No, we've only allowed the trading of the next draft's picks.

[Rusty Trombones - Jackson]

Howard- Add Jorge Cantu to your team.

[Ninja Warriors (JB)]

I don't think I am ready for this draft. Not that it mattered that I was ready last year.

[Deleted]

I'm not ready either...and I definitely don't support shrinking the pick timeframe to 6 hours. Until a week from Saturday I am going to have a hard time keeping up as it is. You're welcome, everyone...because the draft is usually where I clean up!

[Lunatic Fringe]

I'm in favor of a smaller timeframe, but not after round 1. That's too soon.

[Rusty Trombones - Jackson]

Pussies.

I been ready for this draft for a month and I got a 2 month old baby, and my company just completly changed the way we do everything.

I say 1 hour per pick, let's bang this fucker out by monday. You gotta keep your head on a swivel in a vicious cock fight.

[Deleted]

I say you're crazy, Jackson.

[Nuke LaLoosh Express]

How many Red Bulls and cocaine hits have you been doing Jackson?

[Hit-N-Run]

I'm sure he knows about cock fights