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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2009 23:35:14 GMT -5
Thanks Nellie
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Post by varsity18 on Jan 29, 2009 23:36:33 GMT -5
They are all available Austin.. Via the search Nellie suggested.
Hey computer nerds, whats the combination for the search option on a webpage?
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Post by Nellie's Holler on Jan 29, 2009 23:37:16 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2009 23:37:49 GMT -5
And you all need to realize it isn't that I expect shit to change because I'm too busy, but many of you assume we can all pay the same attention you can because you aren't too busy. It's quite hypocritical.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2009 23:44:39 GMT -5
I love the line "if you feel you have more important shit to do"...like I decide if fantasy baseball outweighs my job and life.
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Post by varsity18 on Jan 29, 2009 23:46:23 GMT -5
Chris, and I mean this with the upmost respect, chillllllll.
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Post by Nellie's Holler on Jan 29, 2009 23:47:58 GMT -5
I think this is partly reliant on when you draft. Us people on the ends have no problem preparing & making picks because our picks are so close to each other. People in the middle of the draft are having a much harder time partly because the people on the end draft fast enough to make it to the middle of the draft during the middle of the day and partly because it's so hard to predict who will be picked. I wouldn't want to leave a list of 5 or 6 players either if I were them. I've spent a lot of my time talking to Puckettiers on the phone about each player availabe, what their stats are, what their pay is, where they stand in the depth chart, how old they are, how they were in the minors. My wife is actually pissed off about it (and I HATE talking on the phone). I think Spackler might be right. Next year we set a time per pick & stick to it. No more 4 hour stuff either. It's just not fair to some people.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2009 23:50:44 GMT -5
Chris, and I mean this with the upmost respect, chillllllll. I'm trying...like I said, it's been building with all the banter this year. And I got drunk so it came out (that's what she said?). |
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Post by Nellie's Holler on Jan 29, 2009 23:51:38 GMT -5
I say this as someone who has experienced both sides: bitched about how long it takes to get to me in the draft, while having to help Puckettiers through the draft. There's so many big FA's left out there in MLB (Dunn, ManRam, Abreu, Wolf, Perez), that I don't think we needed to rush this as much as we have. I just got caught up in the excitement of drafting.
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Post by drkaraoke on Jan 29, 2009 23:52:57 GMT -5
My sand is only a result of everyone else's sand about pick times... What I don't think people realize is just because you can find time during your week doesn't mean other people can. I had my comp in front of me ALL week and had MAYBE 15 mins I could look at this league (during the work day, which is my point). It's all relative to whatever the fuck you actually do in front of your computer. And no, I'm not gonna wait to recieve text messages on this. It takes analysis to make a proper decision, and that can't be made via text message. I can't prepare for 7+ picks just in case every one of my guys gets picked. Plus, no matter how tight this league and it's players is, we are still competitors and no matter who you are I don't like disclosing my picks ahead of time FOR OTHER PEOPLE'S BENIFITS. If it was for me, maybe. But why give out my targets just so others can pick?? For everyone it's as simple as their own situation. Unfortunately, we all have different lives. This all good. my problem is I also looka t trends. I change my mind based on whats running what went.. etc I try to plan some tooo |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2009 0:13:45 GMT -5
All,
I apologize for being a dick. Back to back 14 hour days (of training) with no breaks will do that. Still, I don't take back the basis of the points I was making. I just shouldn't have waited until I was drunk to make them.
Goodnight and good drafting.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2009 0:54:05 GMT -5
I have to say I agree with the point about the changing draft times from 8-6-4 hours. If this was a topic at the baseball winter meetings, than I must have missed it. How was this time change decided and how were managers notified? I spotted it by chance in someone's reply in the draft commentary. As excited as I get to pick my players, it seemed a bit too early to be drafting twice as fast as we started. Thanks
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2009 8:14:32 GMT -5
I'd have taken offense to a lot of the comments you made, but because it was mid-inebriation, I will chalk it up to poor judgment. Your opinions would have been better expressed before this draft started, as it seems ill-timed to have flushed all this out in the middle of round 12.
I definitely think we should have postponed the draft until Monday for the sake of the new owners, but hindsight is always 20/20. And I remember Mack and others starting that thread asking whether everyone (or most everyone) is ready to draft on the January 8 start date. I assume most if not all were ready to go, considering we started on that day. And I had no problem giving Nuke my list of top 10 or 15 picks because I had a feeling he was not going to hawk them. In fact, I've talked about my picks with any number of you during this process and have not once felt threatened that they would be intentionally drafted before I had a chance to get to them. But even if they were, so be it. Hell if I care what others want to do. It's a game.
Instead of treating this as guys taking themselves and the draft too seriously, you should treat this as a bunch of kids wanting to play a game so badly that they are getting rambunctious and unintentionally forceful. Throw some Cheetos at 'em and tell 'em to calm down, I say.
If I may put my foot my down on the draft pick time changes, by round eight -- when the six- to four-hour change took place -- 262 players were already off the board. That translates to round 27 in a typical 10-team league and round 18 in this, our 16-team league. The talent level of the remaining players in this pool do not require eight hours of in-depth analysis and extrapolation, in my opinion, which is a large part of the reasoning behind the change. I don't think it's anyone's intention to move the draft along quickly so as not to give others a fair shot at drafting a competitive team.
If you have limited access to a computer at any time and feel reticent to get phone calls, e-mails, text messages, Morse code messages, telegrams, or telegraphs regarding the draft, then you should not complain about being skipped. Eight hours is too long a time period to allot any one owner when we've already surpassed the 350th-overall pick in the draft. In fact, it would be a joke. But again, that's my opinion and I hardly think I'm alone in that.
No one should have to feel like he needs to conform to the schedule of others at any time. If you are busy, you are busy. Some are, and some aren't. Big deal. I, for one, accept your apology and take no offense to any of your comments. I hope you can accept my opinions and do the same.
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Post by Bobby Ayala - Matt on Jan 30, 2009 9:16:31 GMT -5
My bonzai analogy was apt, I'm a poet, analogies and metaphors are my business. The point remians that only a few people are bitching about draft times, after the majority (11-0) voted to drop the time in between picks: killinmesmalls.proboards50.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&thread=1961And it's exactly what we did last year. And being skipped isn't a big deal at this point. Come on Bunge, no more drunken posts maybe? |
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Post by Bobby Ayala - Matt on Jan 30, 2009 9:48:41 GMT -5
I looked it up. Last year we were doing 6 hours/pick, until the 15th round, when we dropped to 3 hours per pick. So we've got it better this year anyway.
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Post by Rusty Trombones - Jackson on Jan 30, 2009 10:23:04 GMT -5
Exactly. I'm basicall offering free text alerts to anyone here. If you don't want it fine, but don't bitch.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2009 10:26:34 GMT -5
Interesting stuff going on last night. I'm kinda like a 50/50. agree to disagree.
I will try to explain my thoughts:
Nobody like to get skipped, just remember that.
We are always waiting on the same guys I read that? because maybe they have things to do.
What about Its the same core of guys that skip others. How many times did U get skipped?
I seen some skips 1 minute after the allotted time. Jimi here is a word. Vulture is a RAPACIOUS person.
Jimi its not that we need 8 hours to extrapolation (what the fuck is that) to make a pick. We are not on the computer or anywhere near one. Texting us sometimes doesn't work. We are working. What do you what us to shut down the assembly line?
work, family etc.... comes first. How many hours a day do U work? 8-12. If everybody was logged on I wonder how many spots your team would drop in the draft order?
Smarten up and give others time to log on and make the picks.
Thats is 4 now. Off 2 work.......................
Jackson its not that we don't want free text alerts some jobs its not allowed. I hope U understand.
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Post by Rusty Trombones - Jackson on Jan 30, 2009 10:54:31 GMT -5
I'll send carrier pigeons instead.
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Post by Lunatic Fringe on Jan 30, 2009 10:57:18 GMT -5
I'll send carrier pigeons instead. What about ESP? |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2009 11:21:27 GMT -5
Nobody here is insinuating you have to stop what you're doing and participate in the draft. People dropping you notes -- whether you can get them right away or not -- are merely alerts, not calls to action. Everybody has something to do, and I am lucky to have the convenience of downtime at work every couple of hours to get online. It's slow in the office as our season doesn't start until April. Sue me, haha.
At the same time, nobody is saying (from the skipped-owner perspective) that others should cease-fire on the rapacious (I know what that word means!) pick-sniping measures we've seen thus far. Chalk it up to a number of owners being excited about getting to pick earlier than they had previously estimated.
Bottom line, it's a game, guys. Arguments like this aren't necessary and could have been handled much better prior to the start of this draft. I don't think many factors would have changed, but at least everyone might have ended up on or around the same page in knowing the possibility of being skipped at any and all odd hours exists.
Again, I'm not taking any offense to any one opinion or more, so I'm not attacking them or you guys for having them. I like these discussions as long as they are civil. Reciprocation on that end would be awesome (i.e. don't poke holes in my argument and make it a little more personal than it needs to be).
That's all I'm sayin'. Back to work I go.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2009 13:02:39 GMT -5
Precursor: I'm sober.
I think EVERYTHING in the future needs to be decided upon pre-draft. There is no way I could have aired these grievances pre-draft b/c we didn't decide on reducing pick times until mid-draft.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2009 14:09:50 GMT -5
Agreed. Winter Meetings 2009!
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Post by drkaraoke on Jan 30, 2009 14:56:22 GMT -5
I think the system is close to good. I only got upset that one time when i was looking and the order of pics got messed up and i picked out of turn. I tried so hard to not make people wait and i still got it wrong...LOL I think it might help (more work for commish) if he had everyones contact number. He could call or text each person when they are NEXT pick. I know i have got to get ready. If need be he could then call or text when it is our pick. Kinda like hey your on deck! Hey your up now! I can try to get myself to a pc with more notice?  Just a thought! I liek it here.. its different but its fun!!! and I didnt mean to casue nellie to get a divorce...lol |
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Post by Lunatic Fringe on Jan 30, 2009 15:07:58 GMT -5
I think the system is close to good. I only got upset that one time when i was looking and the order of pics got messed up and i picked out of turn. I tried so hard to not make people wait and i still got it wrong...LOL I think it might help (more work for commish) if he had everyones contact number. He could call or text each person when they are NEXT pick. I know i have got to get ready. If need be he could then call or text when it is our pick. Kinda like hey your on deck! Hey your up now! I can try to get myself to a pc with more notice? Just a thought! I liek it here.. its different but its fun!!! and I didnt mean to casue nellie to get a divorce...lol You guys have to rely on each other for that. I'm not monitoring this draft from 8:00 a.m. to midnight everyday. I also have a job (soon to be two), I'm a divorced father of two, I have a girlfriend I've been with for six months who has a daughter of her own, and I'm a full-time student. There's no way I can contact everyone to let them know their pick is imminent. This really isn't a big deal. Owners don't often get skipped, and as far as I know, no one has ever missed out on a player they wanted because they were skipped. I'm also pretty sure that I myself have been the one to miss my pick window the most. |
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Post by drkaraoke on Jan 30, 2009 15:48:17 GMT -5
ok just a thought on how to keep things moving speedy like. We could have a contact board and put up our numbers and someone message us when we are close so we can get in on time and quicker to keep it flowing.
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when player 1 picks he msgs or calls #3 to let him know heson deck. When number 2 picks he calls number 4. etc.. Basically when you pick. call or text the guy 2 in front of you.
Just a thought
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2009 16:33:32 GMT -5
Good pick Beard. I'd been considering Helton for the past 2-3 rounds, but hadn't heard enough on his health status to pull the trigger.
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Post by Bobby Ayala - Matt on Jan 30, 2009 16:37:26 GMT -5
ok just a thought on how to keep things moving speedy like. We could have a contact board and put up our numbers and someone message us when we are close so we can get in on time and quicker to keep it flowing. or to try and simplify player 1 player 2 player 3 player 4 when player 1 picks he msgs or calls #3 to let him know heson deck. When number 2 picks he calls number 4. etc.. Basically when you pick. call or text the guy 2 in front of you. Just a thought sounds ridiculously complicated. Much more complicated than everyone checking the message board once more per day to see where they're at. |
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Post by Rusty Trombones - Jackson on Jan 30, 2009 16:54:40 GMT -5
Good pick Beard. I'd been considering Helton for the past 2-3 rounds, but hadn't heard enough on his health status to pull the trigger. Well I'm glad you think so, because I wasn't too proud of it. $16 mil for a shell of his former self. I need a Ryan Howard replacement though, and a semi-productive corner IF if Ian Stewart (AKA my 3rd round pick) rides the pine or sits in AAA. |
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Post by drkaraoke on Jan 30, 2009 17:49:58 GMT -5
ok just a thought on how to keep things moving speedy like. We could have a contact board and put up our numbers and someone message us when we are close so we can get in on time and quicker to keep it flowing. or to try and simplify player 1 player 2 player 3 player 4 when player 1 picks he msgs or calls #3 to let him know heson deck. When number 2 picks he calls number 4. etc.. Basically when you pick. call or text the guy 2 in front of you. Just a thought sounds ridiculously complicated. Much more complicated than everyone checking the message board once more per day to see where they're at. basically call or msg they guy 2 in front of you! hard for me to be at a pc at all times. I seen 2 picks take all day and i seen 7 picks happen in 30 mins.. hard to know when to get on or be ready |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2009 20:30:37 GMT -5
Good pick Beard. I'd been considering Helton for the past 2-3 rounds, but hadn't heard enough on his health status to pull the trigger. Well I'm glad you think so, because I wasn't too proud of it. $16 mil for a shell of his former self. I need a Ryan Howard replacement though, and a semi-productive corner IF if Ian Stewart (AKA my 3rd round pick) rides the pine or sits in AAA. He's another guy like JD Drew that if he can play 120 games it'll be worth it because of the OBP and run production. |
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