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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2009 11:27:30 GMT -5
I like the Eveland pick at this stage of the draft. And I'd hope and pray Barton doesn't take time from Giambi at first, though I like that pick, too. Way to ruin my back-up plan, Chris. (Evil glare.) Barton at 1B, Giambi at DH, Cust in RF. I'm pretty sure Barton has a solid glove at 1B, but I could be wrong. Barton is Beane's type of player, so I figure he'll get some ABs somehow. He was only 22 last year, so I don't think they will give up on him... |
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Post by Ninja Warriors (JB) on Feb 4, 2009 12:46:57 GMT -5
Hey who is the new Pervin the Dish? I don't remember who took over that team. The fucker has 3 first round MiLB picks.
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Post by Bobby Ayala - Matt on Feb 4, 2009 12:54:20 GMT -5
Hey who is the new Pervin the Dish? I don't remember who took over that team. The fucker has 3 first round MiLB picks. Baseball Junkies and he has #5, 7, 12 & 15 overall. Not too shabby. |
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Post by Nellie's Holler on Feb 4, 2009 12:56:55 GMT -5
Thats a stupid cubs fan. Kent did great things year after year. He was alos MR Clutch. I expect 70-80 RBI 80-100R 17-23 HR a 280 - 290 AVG and 5 SB for a full year. And lot of this is because of how good the cubs offence will be. I dont think he would do this well on a bad team. I see .290/.360, 12 homers, 60 RBI, 75 runs, 5 SB. I'd rather have Erick Aybar 10 rounds later. So you have an affinity for players that will OPS under .700 with no positive fantasy value overall other than maybe 10-14 SB's & do not even have a starting job locked up? That looks better than a player that OPS'ed .914 last year (half year), has a starting job, and will be in a better lineup? You're projections, while being realistic, are not his high end. There are 2 types of players: ones that the drafter believes has a high end and those that are a proven quantity. You know for what reason Fontenot was drafted, ie for the same reason you drafted Stewart without even knowing if he'll play this year. I was going to take the same risk/reward approach, while others would say it was a stupid gamble. Looking back knowing what you not know, who do you think will have a better year: Stewart or Fontenot? Moral is, saying you'd rather have Aybar 10 rounds later is a pretty ridiculous statement, all things considered. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2009 12:56:57 GMT -5
I hope you're right, man. That will be the worst $21 million I've ever spent on a player if he doesn't shake out.
Then again, I DID start the year with Andruw Jones... Haha.
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Post by Ninja Warriors (JB) on Feb 4, 2009 13:11:10 GMT -5
Hey who is the new Pervin the Dish? I don't remember who took over that team. The fucker has 3 first round MiLB picks. Baseball Junkies and he has #5, 7, 12 & 15 overall. Not too shabby. Thanks. |
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Post by Bobby Ayala - Matt on Feb 4, 2009 13:33:41 GMT -5
I see .290/.360, 12 homers, 60 RBI, 75 runs, 5 SB. I'd rather have Erick Aybar 10 rounds later. So you have an affinity for players that will OPS under .700 with no positive fantasy value overall other than maybe 10-14 SB's & do not even have a starting job locked up? That looks better than a player that OPS'ed .914 last year (half year), has a starting job, and will be in a better lineup? You're projections, while being realistic, are not his high end. There are 2 types of players: ones that the drafter believes has a high end and those that are a proven quantity. You know for what reason Fontenot was drafted, ie for the same reason you drafted Stewart without even knowing if he'll play this year. I was going to take the same risk/reward approach, while others would say it was a stupid gamble. Looking back knowing what you not know, who do you think will have a better year: Stewart or Fontenot? Moral is, saying you'd rather have Aybar 10 rounds later is a pretty ridiculous statement, all things considered. I still haven't seen anything that says Fontenot has the job. All I see is Pinella saying he'd "like to get him more AB." His 2007 splits showed a complete tanking in the 2nd half, which raises consistency questions. I also see Fontenot having a history of not hitting lefties very well, and thus, not getting AB against lefties. So maybe doubling his AB this year is very optimistic, especially with Brian Roberts rumors never quite going away. Fontenot was coming off the bench all year. Probably a reason for that, I mean they could've put DeRosa in the OF over Reed Johnson if FOntenot was really so good. I don't know about Jeckle, er, Jackson, but the reason I think Aybar (or similar) 10 rounds later is better is because of BAO. For example, instead of Fontenot he could've drafted a power bat like Swisher or Cust (instead of trading Peavy.) Then he could take one of the 3 better 2B options in round 6, hypothetically. My original point was that Fontenot was taken too early, that he's not as good as the next 5-6 2B that were drafted. |
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Post by Nellie's Holler on Feb 4, 2009 14:14:05 GMT -5
There haven't been any serious Roberts rumors since last year. If they platoon him against lefties, he could still easily end up with around 450-500 AB's since the actual amount of AB's an everyday player would face is about 1/3 of the amount they face against righties.
2007 Splits? Seriously? You need to dig up 2 year old stats about a player's first year in the league after he had a great .956 OPS in the first half? I know you can't just double the stats, but to say the possibility isn't there is kind of hypocritical of any pick any person makes who drafts a player because of their high-end. If you really think that Asdrubal Cabrera, Felipe Lopez, Kaz Matsui, Aaron Hill, Blake DeWitt, & Akinori Iwamura are difinitively better than Fontenot than we'll just have to agree to disagree there, because there is no statistical evidence that can prove otherwise.
Nick Swisher? You consider Nick Swisher a viable everyday player right now that you would take over an everyday 2B that has some upside? You do know the Yankees current situation & the fact that Swish bombed like crazy in a hitters park last year, right? I don't see him as a viable source of power, or anything else for that matter right now.
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Post by Nellie's Holler on Feb 4, 2009 14:17:14 GMT -5
You also have to look at Puckettiers' team needs to an extent. He already had 3 OF's by the 3rd round. Drafting another OF would have been a big time folly when there were soooooo many options left in the OF, coupled by the huge run we had at any MI spots through the first 4 rounds.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2009 14:27:29 GMT -5
Again, we've spent more time on this one player than any other league on the planet.
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Post by Nellie's Holler on Feb 4, 2009 14:32:44 GMT -5
WooHoo, I got Rich Hill!!! Oh, wait.....
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2009 14:36:16 GMT -5
There haven't been any serious Roberts rumors since last year. If they platoon him against lefties, he could still easily end up with around 450-500 AB's since the actual amount of AB's an everyday player would face is about 1/3 of the amount they face against righties. 2007 Splits? Seriously? You need to dig up 2 year old stats about a player's first year in the league after he had a great .956 OPS in the first half? I know you can't just double the stats, but to say the possibility isn't there is kind of hypocritical of any pick any person makes who drafts a player because of their high-end. If you really think that Asdrubal Cabrera, Felipe Lopez, Kaz Matsui, Aaron Hill, Blake DeWitt, & Akinori Iwamura are difinitively better than Fontenot than we'll just have to agree to disagree there, because there is no statistical evidence that can prove otherwise. Nick Swisher? You consider Nick Swisher a viable everyday player right now that you would take over an everyday 2B that has some upside? You do know the Yankees current situation & the fact that Swish bombed like crazy in a hitters park last year, right? I don't see him as a viable source of power, or anything else for that matter right now. I'm trying to stay out of the Fontenot discussion b/c it's been beat to death -- not to mention he's a Cub, so my opinion is severely biased -- but there isn't any MLB statistical evidence to make any kind of argument either way, which is what I think Nellie's is saying. However, his power numbers were never overwhelming in the minor leagues, even after repeating AAA 4 years in a row. Also, as a 28 year old high-end projections can't really exceed what we've already seen to this point, whereas some of the younger players (Asdrubal) the imagination/pure projection can still play a significant role in assessing value. |
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Post by Nellie's Holler on Feb 4, 2009 14:43:01 GMT -5
His power numbers last year was a .514 SLG with 9 HR in 243 AB's (or thereabouts). We can't project above that, but we can project off of that.
All in all, though, you captured what I was trying to say. You can't project shit for any of these other players any more than you can Fontenot, so I don't see the reason for calling him a horrible pick.
It's been fun arguing, but like Ruck said, too much has been said about this already. The best/worst picks post was an interesting read, and I hope my arguments against it don't stop you from writing more. If everyone agreed with everyone else picks, then there'd be no point of drafting, the pc could do all of that. By years end everything that you & I have said will probably be proven wrong somehow or another & we'll both feel like idiots reading this all a year from now.
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Post by varsity18 on Feb 4, 2009 14:46:51 GMT -5
Sorry i havent been here. Ive been sick as fuck, Threw up 6 times last night, and once this morning. Couldnt bring myslef to look at a computer before now, and ill prolly throw up in a bit becuase of it.
Travis Hafner.... )07 or 08 in 09?
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Post by Rusty Trombones - Jackson on Feb 4, 2009 14:53:00 GMT -5
Sorry i havent been here. Ive been sick as fuck, Threw up 6 times last night, and once this morning. Couldnt bring myslef to look at a computer before now, and ill prolly throw up in a bit becuase of it. Travis Hafner.... )07 or 08 in 09? Won't matter for you because he won't be on your team. He was kept, pick again. |
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Post by Rusty Trombones - Jackson on Feb 4, 2009 14:53:45 GMT -5
Nellie you snake in the grass.
Rich Hill was my pick. Low risk, maybe awesome reward? Great pick.
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Post by Rusty Trombones - Jackson on Feb 4, 2009 15:00:58 GMT -5
So you have an affinity for players that will OPS under .700 with no positive fantasy value overall other than maybe 10-14 SB's & do not even have a starting job locked up? That looks better than a player that OPS'ed .914 last year (half year), has a starting job, and will be in a better lineup? You're projections, while being realistic, are not his high end. There are 2 types of players: ones that the drafter believes has a high end and those that are a proven quantity. You know for what reason Fontenot was drafted, ie for the same reason you drafted Stewart without even knowing if he'll play this year. I was going to take the same risk/reward approach, while others would say it was a stupid gamble. Looking back knowing what you not know, who do you think will have a better year: Stewart or Fontenot? Moral is, saying you'd rather have Aybar 10 rounds later is a pretty ridiculous statement, all things considered. I still haven't seen anything that says Fontenot has the job. All I see is Pinella saying he'd "like to get him more AB." His 2007 splits showed a complete tanking in the 2nd half, which raises consistency questions. I also see Fontenot having a history of not hitting lefties very well, and thus, not getting AB against lefties. So maybe doubling his AB this year is very optimistic, especially with Brian Roberts rumors never quite going away. Fontenot was coming off the bench all year. Probably a reason for that, I mean they could've put DeRosa in the OF over Reed Johnson if FOntenot was really so good. I don't know about Jeckle, er, Jackson, but the reason I think Aybar (or similar) 10 rounds later is better is because of BAO. For example, instead of Fontenot he could've drafted a power bat like Swisher or Cust (instead of trading Peavy.) Then he could take one of the 3 better 2B options in round 6, hypothetically. My original point was that Fontenot was taken too early, that he's not as good as the next 5-6 2B that were drafted. Exactly. Aybar has just as much a job as Fontenot does, should hit for a similar average, will have less homers and RBI but more steals and runs. And he went 180 picks later. If he totally falls on his face I've risked very little. If Fontenot has a Joe Inglett year, it cost a high pick when there were other quality players to take. Fontenot isn't a terrible pick, just a risky one. And there's a big difference for me between reaching for a 23 year old power hitting top prospect that plays at Coors and a 29 year old average to good player that's getting a shot at regular PT for the first time. |
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Post by varsity18 on Feb 4, 2009 15:01:02 GMT -5
man, Didnt expect that, Ill make a pick shortly,
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Post by Lunatic Fringe on Feb 4, 2009 15:04:06 GMT -5
Again, we've spent more time on this one player than any other league on the planet. Isn't that what makes this league great? 99% of fantasy baseball owners don't give a shit who Mike Fontenot is. |
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Post by Bobby Ayala - Matt on Feb 4, 2009 15:15:30 GMT -5
2007 Splits? Seriously? You need to dig up 2 year old stats about a player's first year in the league after he had a great .956 OPS in the first half? I know you can't just double the stats, but to say the possibility isn't there is kind of hypocritical of any pick any person makes who drafts a player because of their high-end. If you really think that Asdrubal Cabrera, Felipe Lopez, Kaz Matsui, Aaron Hill, Blake DeWitt, & Akinori Iwamura are difinitively better than Fontenot than we'll just have to agree to disagree there, because there is no statistical evidence that can prove otherwise. Nick Swisher? You consider Nick Swisher a viable everyday player right now that you would take over an everyday 2B that has some upside? You do know the Yankees current situation & the fact that Swish bombed like crazy in a hitters park last year, right? I don't see him as a viable source of power, or anything else for that matter right now. Yeah, I'll bring up 2 year old splits when talking about a player who's played--- wait for it----- 2 years. Are you saying you only factor in what a player did last year? My point with Swisher is that he's an example of a power bat available (who qualifies at 1B as well as OF,) when Pucketteers traded Peavy & Roberts to acquire power and a 1B. If he had taken Swisher (or Konerko, or someone else similar,) he would still have Peavy and Brian Roberts, and he would've gotten his power. THis is good, now I actually care what happens to FOntenot this year. In August we'll look back and somebody will look like a genius. |
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Post by varsity18 on Feb 4, 2009 15:21:45 GMT -5
Its funny becuase I ended up with swisher..
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Post by Bobby Ayala - Matt on Feb 4, 2009 15:23:25 GMT -5
It'll be even funnier when Austin logs in to see us all debating his pick.
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Post by drkaraoke on Feb 4, 2009 15:59:20 GMT -5
2007 Splits? Seriously? You need to dig up 2 year old stats about a player's first year in the league after he had a great .956 OPS in the first half? I know you can't just double the stats, but to say the possibility isn't there is kind of hypocritical of any pick any person makes who drafts a player because of their high-end. If you really think that Asdrubal Cabrera, Felipe Lopez, Kaz Matsui, Aaron Hill, Blake DeWitt, & Akinori Iwamura are difinitively better than Fontenot than we'll just have to agree to disagree there, because there is no statistical evidence that can prove otherwise. Nick Swisher? You consider Nick Swisher a viable everyday player right now that you would take over an everyday 2B that has some upside? You do know the Yankees current situation & the fact that Swish bombed like crazy in a hitters park last year, right? I don't see him as a viable source of power, or anything else for that matter right now. Yeah, I'll bring up 2 year old splits when talking about a player who's played--- wait for it----- 2 years. Are you saying you only factor in what a player did last year? My point with Swisher is that he's an example of a power bat available (who qualifies at 1B as well as OF,) when Pucketteers traded Peavy & Roberts to acquire power and a 1B. If he had taken Swisher (or Konerko, or someone else similar,) he would still have Peavy and Brian Roberts, and he would've gotten his power. THis is good, now I actually care what happens to FOntenot this year. In August we'll look back and somebody will look like a genius. E=Mc2 lol |
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Post by drkaraoke on Feb 4, 2009 16:00:06 GMT -5
I have to say for a new guy I have made alot of waves in the league!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2009 16:09:14 GMT -5
I had been eyeing Velez for a while but never pulled the trigger... I couldn't decide between him and Emannuel Burris, and now I don't have either.
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Post by Rusty Trombones - Jackson on Feb 4, 2009 16:58:54 GMT -5
I had been eyeing Velez for a while but never pulled the trigger... I couldn't decide between him and Emannuel Burris, and now I don't have either. Yeah me too, I wanted Burriss. I truly want Burriss to win the 2B job, so my hope is that Velez plays 3-4 days a week all over the diamond, and is used as a pinch runner often enough for me to throw him in the lineup almost everyday, and peel some SB. Homer pick! |
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Post by Nellie's Holler on Feb 4, 2009 17:48:33 GMT -5
2007 Splits? Seriously? You need to dig up 2 year old stats about a player's first year in the league after he had a great .956 OPS in the first half? I know you can't just double the stats, but to say the possibility isn't there is kind of hypocritical of any pick any person makes who drafts a player because of their high-end. If you really think that Asdrubal Cabrera, Felipe Lopez, Kaz Matsui, Aaron Hill, Blake DeWitt, & Akinori Iwamura are difinitively better than Fontenot than we'll just have to agree to disagree there, because there is no statistical evidence that can prove otherwise. Nick Swisher? You consider Nick Swisher a viable everyday player right now that you would take over an everyday 2B that has some upside? You do know the Yankees current situation & the fact that Swish bombed like crazy in a hitters park last year, right? I don't see him as a viable source of power, or anything else for that matter right now. Yeah, I'll bring up 2 year old splits when talking about a player who's played--- wait for it----- 2 years. Are you saying you only factor in what a player did last year? My point with Swisher is that he's an example of a power bat available (who qualifies at 1B as well as OF,) when Pucketteers traded Peavy & Roberts to acquire power and a 1B. If he had taken Swisher (or Konerko, or someone else similar,) he would still have Peavy and Brian Roberts, and he would've gotten his power. THis is good, now I actually care what happens to FOntenot this year. In August we'll look back and somebody will look like a genius. The point, Bobby, is that you're cherry picking. You took the worst 100 AB stretch of Fontenot's young career, and said "look at that, he's bad!", despite what he had done for the first half of the year & what he did last year, that's cherry picking. No, I don't only look at 1 year's worth of stats, but I do look at what a young player does in his previous year & put more weight on that than what he did for the 2nd half 2 years ago. Ausin also got Chipper Jones out of that deal, another power bat. Roberts SB's were expendable to someone who owns Beltran, Gomez, & Reyes. My point about Swish is that he's not a credible power bat period. |
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Post by varsity18 on Feb 4, 2009 17:52:05 GMT -5
We will see about swish when hes the everyday starter for the Yanks.. 25-30 homers guarnteed.
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Post by Nellie's Holler on Feb 4, 2009 17:58:37 GMT -5
I still haven't seen anything that says Fontenot has the job. All I see is Pinella saying he'd "like to get him more AB." His 2007 splits showed a complete tanking in the 2nd half, which raises consistency questions. I also see Fontenot having a history of not hitting lefties very well, and thus, not getting AB against lefties. So maybe doubling his AB this year is very optimistic, especially with Brian Roberts rumors never quite going away. Fontenot was coming off the bench all year. Probably a reason for that, I mean they could've put DeRosa in the OF over Reed Johnson if FOntenot was really so good. I don't know about Jeckle, er, Jackson, but the reason I think Aybar (or similar) 10 rounds later is better is because of BAO. For example, instead of Fontenot he could've drafted a power bat like Swisher or Cust (instead of trading Peavy.) Then he could take one of the 3 better 2B options in round 6, hypothetically. My original point was that Fontenot was taken too early, that he's not as good as the next 5-6 2B that were drafted. Exactly. Aybar has just as much a job as Fontenot does, should hit for a similar average, will have less homers and RBI but more steals and runs. And he went 180 picks later. If he totally falls on his face I've risked very little. If Fontenot has a Joe Inglett year, it cost a high pick when there were other quality players to take. Fontenot isn't a terrible pick, just a risky one. And there's a big difference for me between reaching for a 23 year old power hitting top prospect that plays at Coors and a 29 year old average to good player that's getting a shot at regular PT for the first time. Aybar scored 53 runs in 346 AB's. Fontenot scored 42 in 243. = Aybar does not score more runs Aybar will be lucky to get a .300 OBP. By your own account, Fontenot will have around a .360 OBP = Fontenot kills Aybar in OBP Aybar had a .277 AVG last year. Fontenot had a .305. = Fontenot had a much better avg than Aybar. As I already said, Aybar will have more SB's by about 10. Everything else, Fontenot is better to much better (OBP) than Aybar. That is not comparable in FBB standards. Aybar is a defensive replacement, and has no offensive value. You can say that you can't compare a 23 YO propect to a 28 YO all you want, but with what we know right now, Fontenot will have more FBB value as an everyday 2B FOR THIS YEAR than Stewart will just like he did last year with roughly the same number of AB's. That was my point, in case you missed it. |
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Post by Nellie's Holler on Feb 4, 2009 18:05:12 GMT -5
We will see about swish when hes the everyday starter for the Yanks.. 25-30 homers guarnteed. Chill out, I'm not attacking your pick. Just the assumption that Swish is definitely a credible power bat. Also, Konerko's 22 HR, rapidly declining stats, and high pay ($12 mil), makes him how incredibly much more valuable than who? It's arguable that Fontenot, playing 2B with 243 AB's, had more value regardless of pay last year in comparison to Konerko. |
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